--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 3, 2006, at 7:54 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > >> > >> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> > >> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Great description of pure CC. Watch how everyone is > >>>>>> going to jump all over your post of her writings and > >>>>>> dismiss it because it won't fit their waking state > >>>>>> concept of CC. > >>>>> > >>>>> Who can say who is enlightened? > >>>> > >>>> What does that have to do with what Peter is > >>>> suggesting? > >>> > >>> The fact that she had serious neurological symptoms and a severe > >> (deadly) disorder of the > >>> brain suggests that it may have been pathological and not the real > >> thing. > >> > >> So your waking state concept of CC is that you never > >> get sick? > >> > > > > No. But CC due/caused by pathological dysfunction probably is NOT > > the same as what > > MMY calls CC. Of course, the question is: did the pathology cause > > the CC-sounding > > experience or was it merely a coinicidence....? > > > I haven't read a lot of her stuff, but she is quoted here and on > other lists every now and then. My question is, is this early stages > of a brain tumor experienced-thru-the-lens-of-an-SCI-and-advanced- > lecture-person? In other words, is this just another "hey look at me > and enlightened" and oh well it just happens to specifically fit into > everything I was taught? Oh and by the way, I died suddenly of a > brain tumor that probably festered long before I died (real dangerous > pitfalls for anyone who ignores allopathic medical advice in TB favor > of "Ayurveda" or some other 'holistic panacea'). > > I don't mean this to sound controversial, I'm just not familiar > enough (nor interested enough) with Ms. Segall and her life. > > It's also interesting to me that for many practicing Jews, taking the > mantra of an Indian Pagan Goddess would be a major violation of a > very primary Jewish mitzah, "take no other Gods before me". If you > were told as a child growing up this and this festered in the back of > your subconscious mind, would that not be a like a kind of mind- > virus? It's a very basic conflict in your subconscious programming. > It's just one of the things I wonder could happen from not being told > the truth about what kind of meditation they are being instructed in. > > It's also very interesting that TMer descriptions of CC all fall way > short of the turiyatita traditional descriptions. > > On the TMers dying theme, I also found of interest a recent post on > the Gilpin book from the ever-weird Guruphilia blog: > > anonymous said... > An old friend of mine (an ex-TM teacher) lives in Fairfield and does > not attend the TM functions (at their request, because he openly > hosted, Oh No!, other gurus at his home when they passed through > Fairfield. He enjoys the drama when they go through town. He still > thinks TM is good, however. He recently told me that among those > living there, many of the old-time TM teachers have turned to drugs > and alcohol. He said that many are addicted to pain killers or are > drunkards. He told me this very matter of factly, like it was normal > in any community in the US to have a large number of strung out > people, but I found it very strange, given MMY's teachings. > > I know that when I visited him in Fairfield a few years ago and went > to see some Guru-passing-through type who was a "healer" of some > kind, there was a huge group of TMers who were active in the domes, > visiting the same guy, saying "shhh don't say you saw me here"..... > Many many many of them had cancer and other horrible diseases like > debilitating arthritis. Most of them were between 25-50 years old. > The "healer", who happened to be from India, said he had never seen > so much disease in such a small, condensed population in his life. > > What gives with the TM "research?" Is it all faked or what? > > I practiced TM for awhile and don't think it harmed me. But what > happened to all those people in Fairfield Iowa? And what in the world > is this about Princes and Rajas??? > > 12/03/2006 7:27 AM
Pathological. I think I'd rather die of physical cancer than live with the kind of mind-cancer Vaj has.
