Vaj, Segal's book is quite interesting and far from a TB spouting dogma. She articulates her experience of total emptiness of self quite well and its blossoming into fullness about 12 years later. --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 2006, at 7:54 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" > <sparaig@> wrote: > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], > "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" > <sparaig@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In [email protected], Peter > <drpetersutphen@> > >> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Great description of pure CC. Watch how > everyone is > >>>>>> going to jump all over your post of her > writings and > >>>>>> dismiss it because it won't fit their waking > state > >>>>>> concept of CC. > >>>>> > >>>>> Who can say who is enlightened? > >>>> > >>>> What does that have to do with what Peter is > >>>> suggesting? > >>> > >>> The fact that she had serious neurological > symptoms and a severe > >> (deadly) disorder of the > >>> brain suggests that it may have been > pathological and not the real > >> thing. > >> > >> So your waking state concept of CC is that you > never > >> get sick? > >> > > > > No. But CC due/caused by pathological dysfunction > probably is NOT > > the same as what > > MMY calls CC. Of course, the question is: did the > pathology cause > > the CC-sounding > > experience or was it merely a coinicidence....? > > > I haven't read a lot of her stuff, but she is quoted > here and on > other lists every now and then. My question is, is > this early stages > of a brain tumor > experienced-thru-the-lens-of-an-SCI-and-advanced- > lecture-person? In other words, is this just another > "hey look at me > and enlightened" and oh well it just happens to > specifically fit into > everything I was taught? Oh and by the way, I died > suddenly of a > brain tumor that probably festered long before I > died (real dangerous > pitfalls for anyone who ignores allopathic medical > advice in TB favor > of "Ayurveda" or some other 'holistic panacea'). > > I don't mean this to sound controversial, I'm just > not familiar > enough (nor interested enough) with Ms. Segall and > her life. > > It's also interesting to me that for many practicing > Jews, taking the > mantra of an Indian Pagan Goddess would be a major > violation of a > very primary Jewish mitzah, "take no other Gods > before me". If you > were told as a child growing up this and this > festered in the back of > your subconscious mind, would that not be a like a > kind of mind- > virus? It's a very basic conflict in your > subconscious programming. > It's just one of the things I wonder could happen > from not being told > the truth about what kind of meditation they are > being instructed in. > > It's also very interesting that TMer descriptions of > CC all fall way > short of the turiyatita traditional descriptions. > > On the TMers dying theme, I also found of interest a > recent post on > the Gilpin book from the ever-weird Guruphilia blog: > > anonymous said... > An old friend of mine (an ex-TM teacher) lives in > Fairfield and does > not attend the TM functions (at their request, > because he openly > hosted, Oh No!, other gurus at his home when they > passed through > Fairfield. He enjoys the drama when they go through > town. He still > thinks TM is good, however. He recently told me that > among those > living there, many of the old-time TM teachers have > turned to drugs > and alcohol. He said that many are addicted to pain > killers or are > drunkards. He told me this very matter of factly, > like it was normal > in any community in the US to have a large number of > strung out > people, but I found it very strange, given MMY's > teachings. > > I know that when I visited him in Fairfield a few > years ago and went > to see some Guru-passing-through type who was a > "healer" of some > kind, there was a huge group of TMers who were > active in the domes, > visiting the same guy, saying "shhh don't say you > saw me here"..... > Many many many of them had cancer and other horrible > diseases like > debilitating arthritis. Most of them were between > 25-50 years old. > The "healer", who happened to be from India, said he > had never seen > so much disease in such a small, condensed > population in his life. > > What gives with the TM "research?" Is it all faked > or what? > > I practiced TM for awhile and don't think it harmed > me. But what > happened to all those people in Fairfield Iowa? And > what in the world > is this about Princes and Rajas??? > > 12/03/2006 7:27 AM > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
