--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:54 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > Yup. And that of dozens of my friends and hundreds
> > of people within the traditions I have studied.
> > They have actually *had* the experience of realization,
> > unlike some traditions that can only talk about it in
> > theory and come up with excuses for why *their* students
> > *don't* have the experience itself.
> >
> > "Your nervous system isn't pure enough yet. You need to
> > 'purify.' Just keep paying us the money we ask for and
> > keep coming to these courses. Someday you'll be pure
> > enough to experience what you already are."
> >
> > Yeah, right.
> 
> 
> A "turning" in the seat of consciousness doesn't depend on a  
> purification of a nervous system or certain brain wave styles or even  
> a transcending mind.
> 
> It's like Nike says "Just do it". No "doer" required. Ego still  
> optional. May not be available in some areas, but is present  
> everywhere, at all times. ;-)
>

How can anyone possibly be certain of this either way?

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