--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:54 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > Yup. And that of dozens of my friends and hundreds > > > of people within the traditions I have studied. > > > They have actually *had* the experience of realization, > > > unlike some traditions that can only talk about it in > > > theory and come up with excuses for why *their* students > > > *don't* have the experience itself. > > > > > > "Your nervous system isn't pure enough yet. You need to > > > 'purify.' Just keep paying us the money we ask for and > > > keep coming to these courses. Someday you'll be pure > > > enough to experience what you already are." > > > > > > Yeah, right. > > > > A "turning" in the seat of consciousness doesn't depend on a > > purification of a nervous system or certain brain wave styles > > or even a transcending mind. > > Its primary attribute ( if it had attributes :-) is > that it is not dependent on *anything*. > > > It's like Nike says "Just do it". No "doer" required. Ego > > still optional. > > Exactly. > > > May not be available in some areas, but is present > > everywhere, at all times. ;-) > > And for free. > > And be assured that if you tell people who have been > paying through the nose for it and never getting it > for decades that it's both available to them at any > time *and* free, you'll get a reaction that is almost > as angry and unreasoning as if you'd said their mother > was a whore.
Actually you may get an angry reaction from others as well, to the arrogant tone of your pronouncements and the inevitable nasty putdowns in which they're couched. And still others may point out that in other contexts you attack those who dare to make sweeping statements about the nature of the realization experience, insisting that it isn't the case that it's the same for everyone--yet here you are doing it yourself, without even a "YMMV" or a "Just my opinion." And God forbid anyone, even in the most polite terms, disagrees with *your* sweeping statements--especially if it's a TMer. > People just don't like to admit that they > have chosen badly in the past; they'd rather stand > there in the middle of Nowhere, Kansas blaming their > physiology, their astrology, and the gods than take > responsibility for the fact that they made a slight > mistake several years ago when buying that roadmap > to California. :-) Or maybe, just maybe, THEIR EXPERIENCE IS DIFFERENT.
