--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:The other was one of the stories from the sexie sadie file which comes from one of my closest friends. Right after he found out--he was floored, almost "shocky". When he came around he wanted all the teachers to know in our area, so we went to the local potluck and he told them.
I'll never ever, ever forget the looks on the faces of the initiators when we told them. It was total outright denial--just a flat, ignorant affect--as if they were pretending (or something superimposed on them was pretending) they had not heard one word.> Doug writing: yeah, ethical "shocky", we had an innitiator in our area, Bruce Nagle, who was over there then as an aid-de-camp during that time. He was a bright gung-ho initiator who stayed on over there after ATR courses as a competant secretary/worker around the middle there doing projects, budding skin-carrier. He came home abruptly on his own and directly left TM not looking back. Was astonishing considering the access he was having and was puzzling at the time as we all looked on. He choose to keep the experience he had in the middle over there to himself and just left. Clearly was an ethical decision then for him & dealt with it differently from your friend. -Doug in FF > > > On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:27 PM, new.morning wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> I think in the style of abuse we're talking about here, what > >> distinguishes it as abnormal is a power disparity between the two > >> parties and less the age disparity--although age to certain >extent > >> plays into it if you assume some naivete on the part of the >younger > >> "victim". In that sense power disparity (or even *perceived* power > >> disparity) together with the naivete of youth could be potent factor > >> for an old "lecher's" success. > > > > Power abuse has always been "the" issue for me. Though its not >cyrstal > > clear what is abuse among consenting adults. In pure power plays, >I > > would postulate that "hard come ons" by a Bevan or John H., if >done as > > alleged, was more a power abuse than MMY with a J. But I suppose a > > case could be made either way. > > > > I have read a variety of accounts, of various teachers, and see >how > > some students were quite messed up by the relation. OTOH, I have heard > > of, and can hypothesize, situations where both parties are happy with > > the relationship. > > \ > > Two memories stick in my mind. One was one of the "girls" Swami >Rama > screwed with. I say "girl" because this young woman was the >epitome > of innocence and mildness. And it was as if she was "shattered", >some > part of her, from the incidents. Innocence shattered. > > The other was one of the stories from the sexie sadie file which > comes from one of my closest friends. Right after he found out--he was floored, almost "shocky". When he came around he wanted all the > teachers to know in our area, so we went to the local potluck and he > told them. I'll never ever, ever forget the looks on the faces of the > initiators when we told them. It was total outright denial--just a > flat, ignorant affect--as if they were pretending (or something > superimposed on them was pretending) they had not heard one word. >
