--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at all, > although your description was very colorful.
Thank you. I did not go into detail yet again on early experiences of refinement/cessation of breath and the absorption into the rapture of the kundalini-flow up the sushumna through its chakras and into the spherical golden-light-body, and of the later dissolution of this Solar Witness into THAT, the Great Immensity, and so on, because I believe I've said it all before, and you apparently continue to discount it, or insist it's not possible through the TM & TMSP program -- perhaps because I have not, 30 years after the fact, recalled or related every infinitesimal "stage" like water-into-smoke or whatever that your currently-adopted tradition holds to be of utmost importance as a "criterion" for Awakening...? Of course, the biggest joke is, we only truly Awaken when we realize there *are* no criteria, no experiences, no stages, no *anything* that can get us from Here to Here! :-) If you have found TM/TMSP to be of no value in your Awakening, well and good; I wish you all the best; your path is perfect and all paths lead back to Me for those with the courage to follow the Self Alone, but I will yet again point out that your particular experience or interpretation of TM/TMSP, while certainly valid for you in this moment, is not universal. > In some practitioners of the TMSP, I wonder how many? > what yogins are finding is > exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu > resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the central > channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a downward > turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed. I can almost guarantee that *anyone* who's afraid of downward turns on the wheel of samsara will certainly undergo them! More of Me to Love, and all THAT. :-) I'm familiar with Joan Shivarpita Harrigan's Kundalini Vidya and her models of unsuccessful risings. I like her general outlay of subtle anatomy, and I'm sure she offers a wonderful service, but the nonculminating rising has certainly not been my experience. This is not to say the TMO and its TM practitioners could not benefit from incorporating a good deal more awareness of the Kundalini process. I suspect we all bring our own issues to our own birth. Some births are messy, some are not. Blockages certainly occur, and can often be resolved through breath, easy attention, etc. On the other hand, I suspect too much attention on the Kundalini-process itself could also be inimical to one's true Awakening, as its presence or absence can be used as yet another criterion to deny the eternal perfection of the present, and for me at least, the conventionally understood Kundalini rising into the Golden Soul -- while unimaginably powerful, blissful, clear, etc -- was at most but a midway station, and perhaps not necessary for all -- to actual Awakening into THAT, compared to which it was but a candle in the Sun. I like much of what Joan S. Harrigan says, although we differ quite emphatically on the placement and function of the Hrit padma. The scriptures cited in Shyam Sundar Goswami's Layayoga agree far more closely with my own experience and Understanding on that -- which I find has been central to the understanding of the true relationship of Shiva and Shakti, as well as to the understanding of the 1 and the 12, the unfoldment of the 27 bodies of consciousness and so on. > Cutting off of karmic winds has a very different, if not opposite > effect. It closes the door to downward turning incarnations and sets > one truly free. It's real signs are unmistakable once achieved. Yes, *its* real signs are indeed unmistakable once realized; the Self alone recognizes the Self. Oddly enough, no one else does, I find :-) *L*L*L*
