--- In [email protected], "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip] > In the case of this situation with Maharishi, and the deathbed > instructions, I am simply no longer used to speculating about what > happened because in my camp here, I pick up the phone, or send an > email and the reliable answer is there in 5 minutes. > > Maharishi is in form at present- this question seemingly cant even be > asked and even if it were, it doesn't seem the air would be all > cleared up anyway. > > So, I can join right in with the speculators and guess that Dr. > Varma's comments were not accurate. I heard the same story that many > did from Maharishi which puts it at Maharishi being a self appointed > Guru, I guess similar as Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. > > Coming from my Guru, it was said there is a tradition where a Guru was > appointed Guru by their Guru. Furthermore, Maharishi did not take full > Sanyas vows, or full vows within the tradition of GuruDev. Maybe he > was a secretary? It is not normal for a Guru to entrust the innermost > knowledge to a secretary. My Guru said that in her case, there is one > being groomed now for this position, but this is one that has taken > sanyas and it simply is a flow that this person is selected. My Gurus > general comments are this is how a Guru is appointed, not by wanting > to be Guru or declaring ones self to be one. > > My Guru started a TM yahoo discussion group, there are already some > posts up about this subject: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or try this: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TM_Discussion/?yguid=228252276 > > My Guru is from the same tradition as TM's Guru Dev. Went to that site and checked it out. I also have read what you posted from your Guru about Maharishi. While I'm not a great fan of Maharishi it is my understanding that TM was not taught by Guru Dev but that it was given to Maharishi by him. I can't deny my own experience. I am a TM teacher who has directly experienced Guru Dev during TM initiations and otherwise. I know of at least 7 other people, three of them TM initiators who have said they also have experienced Guru Dev directly. By experiencing Guru Dev directly, I mean in visual form, auditory communication [telepathic] form, or even in changes in Guru Dev's facial expression in a revered photo of Guru Dev. It has also been taught to TM teachers [as it was at my TTC] that A TMer's spiritual teacher and link to the Absolute is indeed Guru Dev and not Maharishi or the TM initiator. Whether or not Dr. Varma's account is accurate, my own repeated undeniable experience clearly indicates that Guru Dev is directly involved in not only the TM initiation as the direct object of attention in the Puja and the sponsorship for the initiate to transcend, but that he is also involved as one's spiritual Guru as a TMer - whether one is actively aware of it or not. I'm curious to see what might happen with sincere TMers who are not aware of this if they were to seek out Guru Dev in that context. If you wish to think that Guru Dev upon his physical death merely disappeared into the Absolute, you may wish to see the following statement from Brahmachari Satyanand, a long time disciple of Guru Dev and later an assistant to Maharishi, who directly experienced Guru Dev after his death: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/Satyanand.htm According to one of his biographers, Guru Dev also expressed to disciples that he would respond to them via his picture. Specifically he referred to his picture in the Puja room in a disciple's home. I discovered the truth of that long before I ever heard about it from anywhere else. My meditater wife has also seen Guru Dev's expression change in a photo we have of him, AND spoken [telepathically] with him - and she's only been meditating for about 6 months. We've been married for over six years and she's been too skeptical about TM to do it until about 6 months ago when she finally agreed to try it. She loves it. > Ron >
