--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <no_reply@> > wrote: > > Gibson probably also thinks the Founding Fathers of America were > > Christians, when in fact most of them were FreeMasons intent on > > establishing the Novus Ordo Seclorum (see your dollar notes ) "New > > Secular Order" > > Quick note -- Novus Ordo Seclorum translates as "New" (Novus) "Order" > (Ordo) "of the Ages, Generations or Centuries" (Seclorum or more > fully Saeculorum being the genitive or possessive plural of > Saeculum, "Age" or "Century" (viz. the French cognate siecle, as in > fin-de-siecle, "end of the century"). "Secular" -- from the adjective > Saecularis, "worldly, secular, of the age" -- would be a rather > egregious mistranslation of Seclorum, the sort of "scholarship" Dan > Brown's supposedly-learned characters frequently demonstrate, to the > amusement of anyone who actually stayed awake through a decent > humanities course in college, or were fortunate enough to take Latin > in high school before it was phased out :-)>>
"Seclorum" disputed: Actually, your own quote states: "Secular" -- from the adjective Saecularis: "worldly, secular, of the age" In other words it means "secular" also. Saecularis MEANS "worldy", "secular", so what is the dispute? secular- ADJECTIVE: 1.Worldly rather than spiritual. 2.Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body: secular music. 3.Relating to or advocating secularism. 4.Not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a religious order. Used of the clergy. 5.Occurring or observed once in an age or century. 6.Lasting from century to century 7.http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/secular And it appears more related to these: secedo : to go apart, withdraw. secerno secrevi secretum : to separate. seco : secui : sectum : to cut, hurt, wound, amputate, divide, part. securis : axe, hatchet, battle-axe. ie. separation of religion and state. secular c.1290, "living in the world, not belonging to a religious order," also "belonging to the state," from O.Fr. seculer, from L.L. sæcularis "worldly, secular," http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=secular OffWorld > that the Freemasons and Sir Francis Bacon (councillor > > to Queen Elizabeth I, and called the "Grandfather of Modern > > Science" ) had espoused. > > > > And the "Pilgrims" at Plymouth Rock he probably thinks were freedom > > seekers running from English oppression, when in fact, by their own > > philosphy and actions, were repressive, hateful, fundamentalist > > christians, who murdered Indians who did not convert, and who left > > England because Queen Elizabeth and Freemason council were against > > religious repression, and didn't let the "Puritans" practice their > > sectarian fundamentalist religion in the towns and villages of > Devon > > and Cornwall, where, if you were "not with them, you were with the > > Devil". > > > > OffWorld > > > > > > . > > >
