--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings <no_reply@> > wrote: > >> > > "Seclorum" disputed: > > > > Actually, your own quote states: "Secular" -- from the adjective > > Saecularis: "worldly, secular, of the age" > > > > In other words it means "secular" also. > > > > Saecularis MEANS "worldy", "secular", so what is the dispute? > > The phrase is NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, not NOVUS ORDO SAECULARIS. >>>
Lol....You were the one that compared it to SAECULARIS , not me. > SECLORUM means "of the Ages," or "of the Centuries," whereas if they had meant "Secular" they would have used SAECULARIS.>>> It does not mean 'of the ages' and the seal's designer, Charles Thomson, wrote that the words "signify the beginnings of the New American Era." And according to your our own quote which states: "Secular" -- from the adjective Saecularis: "worldly, secular, of the age" In other words it means "secular" also. Seclorum means Saecularis which MEANS "worldy", "secular", so what is the dispute? secular- ADJECTIVE: 1.Worldly, rather than spiritual. 2.Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body: secular music. 3.Relating to or advocating secularism. 4.Not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a religious order. Used of the clergy. 5.Occurring or observed once in an age or century. 6.Lasting from century to century 7.http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/secular And it appears more related to these: secedo : to go apart, withdraw. secerno secrevi secretum : to separate. seco : secui : sectum : to cut, hurt, wound, amputate, divide, part. securis : axe, hatchet, battle-axe. ie. separation of religion and state. secular c.1290, "living in the world, not belonging to a religious order," also "belonging to the state," from O.Fr. seculer, from L.L. sæcularis "worldly, secular," http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=secular OffWorld
