Shemp, why the strong need for Ron to do TM? Seems that you are experiencing something very difficult to let go off and are working it out through projecting it on Ron and then trying to manage him.
--- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure from your answer whether or not you > still do TM as > > taught by MMY but I'll give you my two cents on > this subject: > > TM is the assigned mantra, then how to use it > correctly. There is a certain element that is > so deeply ingrained considering that i have been > regular with my program all these years, > it can't be taken out. > > TM is simple- you think the mantra and take it as it > comes. This simple aspect of how to > use a mantra seems rather universal, and this > procedure is part of TM- so in this sense TM > is still there. However, I am under the guidance of > another Guru. If you probed deep > enough, somewhere you will find MMY saying to > someone at some time that it is > recomended to only have one Guru. Even if MMY > doesn't say this, most will. > > There can be confusion with two Gurus. So being > under the guidance of my Guru, I am > willing to do the practices as instructed, and not > mix anything, which is also an instruction > here. Sometimes I find myself with my TM mantra but > it was not intentional, it just > happened- this shows the naturalness of TM > meditation. > > Main thing for me it the surrender to the Guru, to > the methodologies, then the grace > flows. Meditation is also with open eyes and is > therefore a 24/7 practice here. All designed > and effective for bringing stillness to the mind. > Mind is thoughts, the more it is completely > out of the way, the more flow or life lived in > acordance with all the laws of nature is there- > no mind at all, then it is total flow > > A plant has consciouisenss, consciousness knows what > to do- the plant doesnt think > about dropping the seeds, blooming the flowers, > growing the fruit. This is the enlightened > and also functioning with less mind there, > consciousness knows what to do. > > It looks to me the truth of the matter is the mind > is stilling in TM, on its way to disolving- > the more it dissolves, the more there is > consciousness without the coverings. In my case, I > will say that more of the mind is gone here in my > path than it was with TM- this is why I > say there was this support of nature while doing TM, > but now it is even more so. > > While all is subtles, it is quite noticed. The flow > is on all levels, not just the transcient > planes, but on the most subtle, and again it is very > tied in with the Kundalini. Again, it is > also tied in with being in the present because it is > the active mind, then giving attention > and tieing in emotions to it that puts life either > living in the past or the what if's for the > future. > > Getting to this place I am talking about comes about > with grace, not by reading you way > there, thinking your way there, discussing your way > there- these discussions I am having > are pointings for one to have this is their own > life- so the door is open, those who choose > to either walk through or not, fine. there is an > eternity of time so there will be more > presentations of open doors "as time goes by" > > > > According to MMY's instructions, you can do a > hundred other > > meditation techniques and as long as you do TM > twice a day, that's > > fine (we have an audio recording in the files > section of MMY saying > > this). > > MMY 's instructions are no longer for me as I have > stated I have walked away and are > under the guidance of another guru. This is the > truth of it, it may hurt to hear this as if > your experiences and emotions are so filled with all > the beautiful things that took place in > TM, and as I am saying I acknowledge I went throiugh > these things also, then it may be > hard to accept how one can walk away from that. > > it may seem really negative to you and this is > understood- even MMY said let those who > want to leave, leave, then those who stay shouldnt > have to be surrounded with such > negativety, so the choice is yours if you want to > continue reading anything I post. > > > > So my suggestion (and this applies to Rick Archer > as well) is this: > > do two 10-minute TM-as-taught-by-Maharishi > sessions every day and > > then do everything and anything else you want to > do or that is taught > > by your new guru...and guess what? > > Again, if connected to a Guru, better to go with > their suggestions - even to you, if you are > with MMY, then he has lots of things for you to do- > usually the Gurus tell you follow one > Guru, so they would tell you to Follow MMY 100% if > this is the Guru you are going to > follow. I have come here saying there are things not > in TM that are where I am which I find > more usefull and therefore will have an effect to > have one functioning more in accordance > with the laws of nature. you are seeing this, it > means the universe is offering a choice > > > > YOU'LL STILL BE DOING TM!!!!!! > > > > Why not still be on the program? It's only a > difference of twenty > > minuates a day (okay, so you'll misss one episode > a day of Gilligan's > > Island...not so big a price to pay!). > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ron" > <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > > > Question for Ron: > > > > > > When you "switched" paths, as you say, and went > from TM to this > > guru, > > > did you stop doing TM altogether? > > > > > > Tanmay: I arrived in mexico for the diksha, I > was doing TM and kept > > it up. Once I got the > > > new mantra, and also a cd to listen to, I moved > towards doing that. > > Some fear was there as > > > I was entering the unknown, and knowing the > success with TM and the > > support of nature > > > that was always there, it was fear to give it > up. > > > > > > Let me say this, you wouldn't believe the effect > of listening to > > this cd, it is charged > > > mantras recitation by my Guru. Interesting > comment from the late > > Charlie Lutes- He said > > > someone asked MMY if it was possible to > transcend listening to > > audio. Charlie said MMY > > > closed his eyes for a while then answered "YES" > > > > > > Now I see what he means. > > > > > > For me it is all about the awakened Kundakini- > this is consciosness- > > it IS SO AWESOME. I > > > wake up with it, etc. Again, it is phenomina > along this journey, it > > will come to an end > > > acording to swami G, when it finishes in meeting > Shiva. > > > > > > Or do you still do TM (maybe for 10 minutes > twice a day or something > > > like that) while incorporating practises of > other techniques during > > > the day? > > > > > > Tanmay: Well, interesting is maybe with others, > Swami G may have to > > give a bit more > > > instruction, and as I remember, it went > something like- "this is > > the mantra, meditate as > > > much as you can, you will figure things out" > > > > > > Also going through TTC, and checking of course, > I was quite > > comfortable in knowing I was > > > doing my TM practices quite correctly and the > benefits were blatent > > and concrete, it was > > > second nature to know and be used to haveing > constant === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
