Hi Loft Actually a petition was on of my first ideas - didn't mention it my initial post above as i wanted to get a consensus first, and see what people thought was warranted and doable. As it happens, before i even read your post, i was thinking of ways on how to communicate easily with the largest amounts of post fe1 pre blackhall people - in order to do just that (get as many names as possible). What do people think is the best way to let people know what were planning etc and get support..? A face book group? Word of mouth? Obviously here is a great place to start and word of mouth would spread the cause.
Loft i'd be happy to work with you on the text of a letter if you were interested? On Feb 18, 5:54 pm, Loft <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > I am just finishing a Masters in UL having passed all the FE-1s in Dec > 07. Myself and a number of my colleagues on the Masters are seeking > the support of our Law Department in tandem with other Law departments > in Universities across the state to lobby the Law Society to amend the > legislation that stipulates the 5 year rule........ > > For example in the UK for the purposes of entering into an > apprenticeship and doing the LPC (Blackhall equivalent) ones Law > Degree is recogniced for 8 years. So even if there were 3 years extra > it would help. > > However I think it would be worth the effort if all those who hold the > FE-1s sign some form of letter that could be handed into the Law > Society - I was also one of the schmucks who had to do the Irish exam > last Jan 08 and that was legislated out late last year so if they can > amend the legislation on that, I really think that they cannot argue > against an extension to the 5 year rule, particularly given the > extreme circumstances ??? > > By the way please DISCOURAGE anyone u know who may not have made their > minds up fully if they should take the FE-1s ! Too much pain for > nothing. I left a great job in 2006 to study for them and it really > was a waste of money and a career - this country is too small and is > incapable of recovery in the short to medium term. > > Let me know what u all think about perhaps writing a letter to law > society - signed by as many of those as is possible who hold their > full set of FE-1s to get an extension on the time frame for entering > into indentures of apprenticeship. As I said they cannot really argue > agaist it - but we need a large number of people to lobby. Also go to > your local TD and explain the situation - if we all go to our local > TDs and explain then there is a chance that we might get some form of > national coverage. > > I sent an e mail to the Pat Kenny Show explaining the plight of us in > limbo land with the clock ticking on our entrance exams and and he > read it out so there is obviosuly some merit in our argument. > > It is so depressing - we are all basically intellectual derelicts - at > least if we had an extension on the FE-1s it would be somewhat > consoling......... > > Later..... D > > On 17 Feb, 17:06, Richard Power <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > im following what evryone is saying and agree, its lookin pretty bad > > because of the current climate, wonder why we bothered wit college etc etc,, > > > but jus wondering if you were to get app. and qualify would career > > prospects be any better??or would you have to practise in a different > > country and if so what is the situation on equivalent qualifications? > > > but just say you were to get apprenticesgip and qualify, even then is it > > any bett> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:00:47 -0800 > > > > Subject: Re: Trainees-to-be and the Recession > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Gaffer > > > > I hear what youre saying. I want to point out to you and others that > > > you have 5 years to get onto PPC from when you finish the FE1 exam. By > > > finishing the FE1 exam that means sucessfully passing all 8. Youre > > > saying you have 1 left to do next March so I'd say hold off on that > > > because (assuming you pass it) the clock will begin to tick so to > > > speak. > > > > Go off to Oz for a year or two and come back and sit that exam. Bear > > > in mind however that you have 5 years too from passing the first 3 FE1 > > > exams to finishing all 8. > > > > I really think the Law Society are wrong to put a time stipulation on > > > finishing the FE1 exam considering the current climate. > > > It's unfair in my opinion and I wonder is there a legal remedy > > > (Judicial Review or something) a person could take against the Law > > > Society if they were adversely affected by the 5 year rule? Is it > > > arbitrary I wonder? > > > > On Feb 17, 12:01 pm, the gaffer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I hear us! I'm at this since Nov '07. and have one left to do in > > > > March.No job or anything since leaving college.You feel like a bit of > > > > a failure/waster.Finding it tough to do any work though,coz I knew the > > > > stuff backwards in Oct!Thought I handed up gold for my answers in > > > > Constitutional but there ya go. > > > > Anyway,I applied all around me in '07 and '08.Got a toal of 1 first > > > > round interview from '08 applications (with 7 passed) and 5 interviews > > > > last yr (with 0 passed)!! So, and this is easy for me (24,no > > > > mortgage,kids,living at home etc), I'm off to Oz 4 days after the > > > > exam.Really don't think the FE-1s will stand to me as a backpacker > > > > who's basically on a J1!!Especially when the employer knows your visa > > > > is only valid for a few months.Bar/restaurant work with handy tips or > > > > construction with a few beers on the beach in the evenings seems fine > > > > in the sunshine to me anyhow!! > > > > But obviously 2 yrs ago I'd envisioned myself in a very different > > > > place to where I am now (ie heading to bhall in Sept).But hey, if I > > > > was then I couldn't go travelling.I just hope that I get an > > > > apprenticeship before my fe-1s go stale? (4 yrs from now) > > > > > On Feb 17, 11:34 am, YVONNE C <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I know exactly how you feel we are definitely a forgotten group and > > > > > the Law society will continue taking our money for the Fe1 exams and > > > > > continue training even though there are no jobs out there for us. Im > > > > > sitting my last 3 fe1s in March and to be honest Id love to be in > > > > > blackhall by sept but it seems liike an unrealistic goal now unless I > > > > > offer to do my apprenticeship at a law firm for free which I am > > > > > seriously considering as id have more options if I was qualified. > > > > > I will help you to do some research and to lobby the law society once > > > > > my exams are over (1st April) we really need to get together and be > > > > > seen as a group who the Law Sociey are responsible for there must be > > > > > things they can do to help. > > > > > > On Feb 16, 9:52 pm, Caribou <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well, and sorry to bring negativity for those studying, I assume > > > > > > there > > > > > > is many in the same boat as myself – have all 8, but job prospects > > > > > > look extremely badly. It seems that we are as hard hit as anyone > > > > > > else > > > > > > (harder in my opinion) but were a group that are totally forgotten – > > > > > > we aren’t in the Law Society yet, so they’ve no real interest in us > > > > > > – > > > > > > most of us aren’t brand new graduates – so we fall between all the > > > > > > stools with no none to give us a voice. If you are a recently > > > > > > qualified at least then you have the OPTION of transferring your > > > > > > qualification to another common law jurisdiction (although given the > > > > > > global nature of this recession that might not be any great > > > > > > benefit). > > > > > > > So would people have any ideas on alternatives for the time being? > > > > > > Or > > > > > > plans of action? Maybe we could investigate job prospects and what > > > > > > is > > > > > > required in other common law jurisdictions? I’ve done a small bit of > > > > > > investigating on New Zealand, so maybe a few of could investigate > > > > > > different countries and report back? Also, the Law Society are only > > > > > > interested in helping out qualified solicitors and trainees – > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > we need them to make them aware of our situation and what they may > > > > > > do > > > > > > to help us? For instance, maybe they could make other Law Societies > > > > > > aware of what the FE1s entails and so this might make it easier when > > > > > > our foreign legal qualifications are being assessed. For instance, > > > > > > to > > > > > > begin the PPC in New Zealand you must have recognised law > > > > > > qualification from a recognised university. I have a PG Diploma from > > > > > > an unrecognised third level (DIT). That’s where it would be handy if > > > > > > my FE1s carried some weight. i.e. I’m wondering is there anything > > > > > > the > > > > > > Law Society could do to help us out in that regard. > > > > > > > Generally, I’m wondering if we may work on alternatives to the bleak > > > > > > Irish situations, just to see what options may be available to us. > > > > > > Or > > > > > > possibly even alternative careers to law (although that seems > > > > > > unthinkable at the moment given the amount of time and energy I > > > > > > poured > > > > > > into the FE1s) > > > > > > > Comments appreciated!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get 30 Free Emoticons for your Windows Live > > Messengerhttp://www.livemessenger-emoticons.com/funfamily/en-ie/-Hide > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "FE-1 Study Group" group. 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