I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie

-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul  
leaves it.  This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a  
sign of pain.  It is a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason  
a vet may wrap a body in plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will  
leave a friend to leave this world without me holding him/her and this  
happens.  It also happens in natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases  
when a person commits suicide or even is murdered.  It can be awful if  
a family member discovers the body.  This, again, is not a sign of  
On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:

> Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
> haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
> You've
> all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped  
> today - if
> anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that  
> little
> boy.  He was so special to us.
>  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you  
> who have
> been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish,  
> please just
> skip this one:
> Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the  
> euthanasia this
> morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was  
> injected and
> silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  A few  
> minutes
> later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear  
> liquid
> came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this was fluid that had  
> started to
> collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
> I don't
> know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a  
> while
> there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest X- 
> ray on
> sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.   
> Sorry for
> the awkward question.
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson <longhornf...@verizon.net 
> >wrote:
>> My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry  
>> Dexter is
>> gone, but he will live within your heart now.
>> You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.
>> My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
>> Lynda
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Williams" <drsiebl...@gmail.com 
>> >
>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
>> I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your  
>> kind
>>> words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
>>> shared
>>> and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
>>> Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us  
>>> both - we
>>> received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal  
>>> Clinic's
>>> Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the  
>>> course of
>>> the
>>> night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday  
>>> morning,
>>> we
>>> immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr.  
>>> Wright has
>>> been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be  
>>> back
>>> yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to  
>>> see him
>>> on
>>> three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
>>> injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we  
>>> took Dex in
>>> on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we  
>>> were given
>>> no
>>> advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give  
>>> Dex his
>>> shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people  
>>> and I
>>> don't
>>> blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a  
>>> practice where
>>> he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his  
>>> patients
>>> informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or  
>>> hours or
>>> days
>>> aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several  
>>> weeks ago,
>>> when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment  
>>> (which took
>>> him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal  
>>> Clinic by
>>> the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East  
>>> Dallas Animal
>>> Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and  
>>> Dr.
>>> Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of  
>>> taking
>>> calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to  
>>> work
>>> with
>>> and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
>>> treatment.
>>> I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex  
>>> to them
>>> yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright  
>>> wouldn't be
>>> returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took  
>>> Dexter in
>>> for
>>> his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia  
>>> had set
>>> in, his advice was to "take him home and make him comfortable."  A  
>>> week
>>> passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about  
>>> alternate
>>> treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and  
>>> the week
>>> he
>>> took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three  
>>> weeks where
>>> Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting  
>>> anything
>>> done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day  
>>> we spoke
>>> with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two  
>>> remaining
>>> doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to  
>>> Dex last
>>> year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses  
>>> for Dex
>>> without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would  
>>> have had
>>> more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements  
>>> while on
>>> Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible
>>> diseases,
>>> though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on  
>>> Dex
>>> while
>>> we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph  
>>> nodes were
>>> swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would  
>>> blow up.
>>> When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even
>>> responded
>>> well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown  
>>> cancer
>>> -
>>> it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen  
>>> - it had
>>> probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more  
>>> and more
>>> labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in  
>>> too much
>>> pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on  
>>> Dex, as
>>> well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the
>>> course
>>> of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
>>> temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out  
>>> as this
>>> terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
>>> everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic  
>>> this
>>> morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a  
>>> warming
>>> pad,
>>> little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed  
>>> our hands
>>> on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this  
>>> morning.
>>> We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only  
>>> with us
>>> for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special  
>>> kitty -
>>> we will miss him terribly.  He was a huge part of our family - not  
>>> some
>>> "pet" or animal.  We have four other wonderful kitties at home who  
>>> are not
>>> FelV or FIV positive.  They have been wonderful as our attention  
>>> has been
>>> so
>>> focused on Dex for the last month and we owe them some serious one  
>>> on one
>>> time right now.  While all of the kitties get along well, Dex was  
>>> the one
>>> cat in the house that all the other cats adored.  He was never  
>>> involved in
>>> spats with any of them and they all took turns cleaning him and  
>>> looking
>>> after him.  Dex was special to everyone.  In the end, I wish there  
>>> was
>>> more
>>> I could have done for Dex - I look back at the timing of  
>>> everything and
>>> how
>>> the last three weeks have gone for him.  Could the outcome have been
>>> different?  I'll never know, of course, but I'm not done fighting  
>>> this
>>> fight
>>> with FeLV and FIV.  These diseases took our boy from us and I will  
>>> not
>>> stop
>>> until they are both a thing of the past.  Its the very least I can  
>>> do in
>>> honor of Dexter - a wonderful boy who fought with dignity and  
>>> calm, and
>>> above all else, the special brand of sweetness that only he had.
>>> Thanks, everyone.
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