Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has........

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG <maima...@gmail.com> wrote:
> His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
> like he is panting....and he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
> other impression.
> On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:
>
>> The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
>> We have
>> quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
>> side of
>> their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
>> front -
>> and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
>> feral
>> and are mushes now.....
>> Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
>> always
>> surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
>>
>> Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
>> trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
>> under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
>> She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
>> pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
>> the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
>> his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
>> clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
>> is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
>> of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
>> others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
>> cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
>> quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
>>> in a bad
>>> mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
>>> the body's
>>> systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
>>> of their
>>> babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.
>>>
>>> Diane R.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
>>>
>>> Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
>>> don't know
>>> his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
>>> brought in
>>> from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
>>> sick
>>> kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat".  One is a year out from the
>>> extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well!   Both
>>> of
>>> those guys were negative.  My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully,
>>> too, and
>>> his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost
>>> clinic for
>>> a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics
>>> probably
>>> can't do that, though.
>>>
>>> All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I
>>> couldn't
>>> believe it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your cats had stomatitis?  And it helped having all teeth removed?
>>>> The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is
>>>> (ours
>>>> is
>>>> FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky!  It
>>>> FIV+does
>>>> sound rather drastic, doesn't it?
>>>> We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're
>>>> chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more
>>>> than canned food at times.
>>>> Natalie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
>>>>
>>>> Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention
>>>> the 3
>>>> we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats
>>>> afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since.  They were not
>>>> FELV
>>>> cats, though.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for
>>>>> FeLV+
>>>> cats?
>>>>>
>>>>> I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE
>>>>> MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get
>>>>> that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and
>>>>> supposedly
>>>>> appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist,
>>>>> with special emphasis on
>>>> cleaning
>>>>> out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like
>>>>> doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying
>>>>> DMG.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in
>>>>> different forms.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-
>>>>> DIMETHYLGLYCIN
>>>>> E
>>>>>
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