While I don;t neccesarily disagree with your choice, I would keep in mind that some diseases remain in the soil for years (Panleukopenia is probably the worst). A rabid anial may well behave so differently that it will come on your deck during the day.
Your decision, of course. Margo -----Original Message----- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Aug 14, 2014 8:02 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 > >THAT IS WHY I HAVE BACKED OFF FROM VACCINATIONS. ONLY HARLEY GOES OUT AND HE >STAYS NEAR THE HOUSE AND ON THE DECK. THE OTHERS WILL GO OUT AND LAY IN THE >SUN ON THE DECK SO I CANNOT SEE PUTTING THEM THROUGH A POSSIBLE REACTION WHEN >THEY DO NOT COME INTO CONTACT WITH DOGS OR CATS AND THEY ARE INSIDE WHEN THE >RACOONS COME OUT AT NIGHT. > >---- Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went >> from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV >> because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely >> ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. >> >> I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune >> reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would >> have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so >> immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any >> immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> > Hi Kat, >> > >> > Thanks so much for your reply. >> > >> > Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue >> > with pos. cats >> > or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? >> > >> > Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? >> > >> > Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long >> > story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. >> > test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that >> > point) and as she was chasing him around >> > and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the >> > local animal control and he had to be quarantined >> > for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received >> > his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this >> > so they said it wouldn't be effective yet....I was worried that if he had >> > a chance to throw the virus off he >> > would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very >> > sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I >> > am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will >> > get rabies, but never want him to have to be >> > quarantined again! >> > >> > Thanks so much! >> > Shelley >> > >> > >> > On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker <korruptaki...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so >> > either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being >> > positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, >> > probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a >> > positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a >> > big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that >> > antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop >> > antibodies. >> > > >> > > On Thursday, August 14, 2014, <felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> >> > wrote: >> > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > >> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> > > >> > > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> > > >> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> > > >> > > >> > > Today's Topics: >> > > >> > > 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) >> > > 2. Re: New & have question (dlg...@windstream.net) >> > > 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > Message: 1 >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 >> > > From: Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? >> > > Message-ID: <79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> > > >> > > Hi Lance, >> > > >> > > I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even >> > consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and >> > told me the news later that day. >> > > >> > > I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year >> > when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. >> > > >> > > Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet >> > clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. >> > > >> > > We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between >> > vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her >> > > to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I >> > never realized that until a few years ago. >> > > >> > > I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably >> > just do the rabies though for now. >> > > >> > > Shelley >> > > >> > > >> > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote: >> > > >> > > > I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto >> > Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to >> > recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never >> > did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the >> > vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. >> > > > >> > > > If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go >> > with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we >> > used to call them vax site sarcomas). >> > > > >> > > > Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective >> > cat parent. >> > > > >> > > > Best wishes for you and Leo, >> > > > >> > > > Lance >> > > > >> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi All, >> > > >> >> > > >> I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how >> > everyone feels about vaccinating >> > > >> their Leukemia pos. cats in general. >> > > >> >> > > >> The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is >> > caused cats to become ill afterwards. >> > > >> >> > > >> I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the >> > Purevax like I did last year, but he >> > > >> has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first >> > got him and he was neutered and >> > > >> I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I >> > thought he was a feral cat, he actually was, >> > > >> but has since become quite tame. >> > > >> >> > > >> Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the >> > cautionary emails on the subject. >> > > >> I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet >> > clinic when he goes in for a check up for >> > > >> for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to >> > throw this out there again for thoughts on >> > > >> this subject. Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be >> > less dangerous, etc? >> > > >> >> > > >> I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds >> > like he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines >> > > >> as an adult and then can stop. Am I overthinking this? >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks for any advice. So far, knock on wood, he is doing great, >> > though he is lonely, but I think since he was initially >> > > >> semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him. we built him a nice mini >> > screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys >> > > >> and spend time with him daily. >> > > >> >> > > >> Best, >> > > >> Shelley >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> Felvtalk mailing list >> > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > >> >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Message: 2 >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:52:09 -0500 >> > > From: <dlg...@windstream.net> >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question >> > > Message-ID: <20140813175209.WYRYT.48742.root@pamxwww05-z01> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> > > >> > > i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL. IT IS A GOOD >> > ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT. I USE A TABLESPOON EACH DAY, >> > IT TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS AFTERWARDS. >> > (I JUST SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY MOUTH.) >> > > ---- Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote: >> > > > I don?t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward >> > oral health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes >> > pet dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should >> > bring up their site. I believe they?re owned by Virbac. >> > > > >> > > > After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and >> > DMG (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often >> > gave her Prescription Diet t/d as a ?treat?. We rarely had any gum or teeth >> > issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good >> > for a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain. >> > > > >> > > > Best wishes for you and the calico kitten, >> > > > >> > > > Lance >> > > > >> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes <sweet2bcota...@att.net> >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hi everyone, >> > > > > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original >> > test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and have >> > done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results now. >> > I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote >> > oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can >> > someone help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on course >> > of treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. >> > > > > Thanks, Susan >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > > > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Message: 3 >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:35 -0500 >> > > From: <dlg...@windstream.net> >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV contagious >> > > Message-ID: <20140813175335.NI5VP.48748.root@pamxwww05-z01> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> > > >> > > THAT IS THE ONLY VACCINE I GET NOW AND I MAY STOP IT SINCE MY PRIDE DOES >> > NOT GET INTO BITING FIGHTS, JUST SNARLING AND HISSING AND SWATTING. >> > > ---- "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > Hi Maya, >> > > > >> > > > I have 2 cats who have lived together for a long time. I found out one >> > was >> > > > positive. The other tested negative, so I had her vaccinated against >> > FeLV. >> > > > But, they had already been in very close contact for a long time. If >> > you do >> > > > decide to bring in a negative cat, definitely make sure he/she is >> > > > vaccinated against FeLV. It is not a fool proof vaccine but it helps. >> > > > >> > > > However, perhaps you could find another FeLV+ friend for Merlot. You >> > could >> > > > alert volunteers and staff at your local shelters and rescues to >> > contact >> > > > you before euthanizing if one of their strays tests positive for FeLV >> > or if >> > > > they hear of any positive cats. Or keep an eye on local rescue >> > websites. We >> > > > have one in the U.S. called Craigslist where people are always dumping >> > or >> > > > rehoming their pets. >> > > > >> > > > I personally wouldn't want to introduce a healthy cat to my positive >> > cat. >> > > > But that's an interesting perspective about saving one from death row, >> > and >> > > > certainly something to consider. And I know others on the list have >> > done >> > > > it, without many issues. Hopefully you can find a positive friend for >> > > > Merlot. I do hate to think of him being lonely! <3 >> > > > >> > > > Katherine >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > So, my one cat Merlot is clearly lonely. He is used to being second >> > in >> > > > > command to our cat Yang who passed away. >> > > > > >> > > > > I work with a cat rescue, and the cats there all live communally >> > until >> > > > > they are adopted (with a quarantine area for cats on meds/who are >> > really >> > > > > sick). She thinks that there isn't much of a problem with bringing >> > another >> > > > > cat in to the house, as long as the other cat is not immune >> > compromised, >> > > > > etc. This contrasts with what my vet says - no other cat contact. >> > > > > >> > > > > I'm not sure who to believe here. Obviously FELV is contagious, and >> > it is >> > > > > passed from cat to cat. The chance of that increases with increased >> > > > > contact, but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been >> > running >> > > > > the place she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them >> > died from >> > > > > it, and she had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them test >> > > > > negative for FELV recently. I can't imagine being responsible for >> > exposing >> > > > > another cat to the virus and getting them sick, but I also feel bad >> > for >> > > > > Merlot who is lonely. I was thining maybe I would consider (in six >> > months >> > > > > or so), trying to take in a cat who was not going to find another >> > home. >> > > > > ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to >> > put down. >> > > > > >> > > > > What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this? >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Maya D'Alessio >> > > > > PhD student >> > > > > B1 377B, x32320 >> > > > > Graduate Student Endowment Fund Coordinator >> > > > > Biology GSA Vice Chair >> > > > > GSA Director At-Large >> > > > > University of Waterloo >> > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > > > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Subject: Digest Footer >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------ >> > > >> > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 >> > > ************************************** >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > >> > > Love and Katnip, >> > > ~Kat~ =^,,^= >> > > >> > > "I'm Kat Parker. I park cats." >> > > "Spay & neuter your neighbors... maybe THAT will fix the problem." >> > > "Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE & HAPPY >> > cat!" >> > > >> > > http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Felvtalk mailing list >> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Maya D'Alessio >> PhD student >> B1 377B, x32320 >> Graduate Student Endowment Fund Coordinator >> Biology GSA Vice Chair >> GSA Director At-Large >> University of Waterloo > > >_______________________________________________ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
