HARLEY KNOWS THAT WHEN COONS COME UP ON THE DECK, HE HAEDS FOR A HIGH PERCH AND SCRATCHES AT THE WINDOW. HE WILL NOT TRY TO FIGHT WITH THEM.
---- Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > While I don;t neccesarily disagree with your choice, I would keep in mind > that some diseases remain in the soil for years (Panleukopenia is probably > the worst). A rabid anial may well behave so differently that it will come on > your deck during the day. > > Your decision, of course. > > Margo > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: dlg...@windstream.net > >Sent: Aug 14, 2014 8:02 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 > > > >THAT IS WHY I HAVE BACKED OFF FROM VACCINATIONS. ONLY HARLEY GOES OUT AND > >HE STAYS NEAR THE HOUSE AND ON THE DECK. THE OTHERS WILL GO OUT AND LAY IN > >THE SUN ON THE DECK SO I CANNOT SEE PUTTING THEM THROUGH A POSSIBLE REACTION > >WHEN THEY DO NOT COME INTO CONTACT WITH DOGS OR CATS AND THEY ARE INSIDE > >WHEN THE RACOONS COME OUT AT NIGHT. > > > >---- Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went > >> from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV > >> because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely > >> ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. > >> > >> I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune > >> reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would > >> have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so > >> immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any > >> immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Kat, > >> > > >> > Thanks so much for your reply. > >> > > >> > Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue > >> > with pos. cats > >> > or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? > >> > > >> > Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? > >> > > >> > Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long > >> > story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. > >> > test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that > >> > point) and as she was chasing him around > >> > and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with > >> > the > >> > local animal control and he had to be quarantined > >> > for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received > >> > his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this > >> > so they said it wouldn't be effective yet....I was worried that if he had > >> > a chance to throw the virus off he > >> > would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very > >> > sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I > >> > am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will > >> > get rabies, but never want him to have to be > >> > quarantined again! > >> > > >> > Thanks so much! > >> > Shelley > >> > > >> > > >> > On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker <korruptaki...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't > >> > > so > >> > either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with > >> > being > >> > positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, > >> > probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a > >> > positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not > >> > a > >> > big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have > >> > that > >> > antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop > >> > antibodies. > >> > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 14, 2014, <felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> > >> > wrote: > >> > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >> > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > > >> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > > > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > >> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > >> > > > >> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >> > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > >> > > > >> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Today's Topics: > >> > > > >> > > 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) > >> > > 2. Re: New & have question (dlg...@windstream.net) > >> > > 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > Message: 1 > >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 > >> > > From: Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> > >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? > >> > > Message-ID: <79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net> > >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >> > > > >> > > Hi Lance, > >> > > > >> > > I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even > >> > consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and > >> > told me the news later that day. > >> > > > >> > > I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year > >> > when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the > >> > > vet > >> > clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. > >> > > > >> > > We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between > >> > vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her > >> > > to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I > >> > never realized that until a few years ago. > >> > > > >> > > I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably > >> > just do the rabies though for now. > >> > > > >> > > Shelley > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto > >> > Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to > >> > recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never > >> > did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at > >> > the > >> > vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. > >> > > > > >> > > > If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go > >> > with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma > >> > (we > >> > used to call them vax site sarcomas). > >> > > > > >> > > > Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and > >> > > > protective > >> > cat parent. > >> > > > > >> > > > Best wishes for you and Leo, > >> > > > > >> > > > Lance > >> > > > > >> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> Hi All, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about > >> > > >> how > >> > everyone feels about vaccinating > >> > > >> their Leukemia pos. cats in general. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is > >> > caused cats to become ill afterwards. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the > >> > Purevax like I did last year, but he > >> > > >> has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first > >> > got him and he was neutered and > >> > > >> I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I > >> > thought he was a feral cat, he actually was, > >> > > >> but has since become quite tame. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the > >> > cautionary emails on the subject. > >> > > >> I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet > >> > clinic when he goes in for a check up for > >> > > >> for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to > >> > throw this out there again for thoughts on > >> > > >> this subject. Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be > >> > less dangerous, etc? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds > >> > like he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines > >> > > >> as an adult and then can stop. Am I overthinking this? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Thanks for any advice. So far, knock on wood, he is doing great, > >> > though he is lonely, but I think since he was initially > >> > > >> semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him. we built him a nice mini > >> > screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys > >> > > >> and spend time with him daily. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Best, > >> > > >> Shelley > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > >> > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Felvtalk mailing list > >> > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > > Message: 2 > >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:52:09 -0500 > >> > > From: <dlg...@windstream.net> > >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question > >> > > Message-ID: <20140813175209.WYRYT.48742.root@pamxwww05-z01> > >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > > > >> > > i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL. IT IS A GOOD > >> > ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT. I USE A TABLESPOON EACH > >> > DAY, > >> > IT TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS AFTERWARDS. > >> > (I JUST SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY > >> > MOUTH.) > >> > > ---- Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> > > > I don?t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward > >> > oral health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET > >> > makes > >> > pet dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should > >> > bring up their site. I believe they?re owned by Virbac. > >> > > > > >> > > > After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and > >> > DMG (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I > >> > often > >> > gave her Prescription Diet t/d as a ?treat?. We rarely had any gum or > >> > teeth > >> > issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good > >> > for a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain. > >> > > > > >> > > > Best wishes for you and the calico kitten, > >> > > > > >> > > > Lance > >> > > > > >> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes <sweet2bcota...@att.net> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi everyone, > >> > > > > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original > >> > test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and > >> > have > >> > done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results > >> > now. > >> > I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to > >> > promote > >> > oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can > >> > someone help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on > >> > course > >> > of treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. > >> > > > > Thanks, Susan > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > >> > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > > Message: 3 > >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:35 -0500 > >> > > From: <dlg...@windstream.net> > >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV contagious > >> > > Message-ID: <20140813175335.NI5VP.48748.root@pamxwww05-z01> > >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > > > >> > > THAT IS THE ONLY VACCINE I GET NOW AND I MAY STOP IT SINCE MY PRIDE > >> > > DOES > >> > NOT GET INTO BITING FIGHTS, JUST SNARLING AND HISSING AND SWATTING. > >> > > ---- "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > Hi Maya, > >> > > > > >> > > > I have 2 cats who have lived together for a long time. I found out > >> > > > one > >> > was > >> > > > positive. The other tested negative, so I had her vaccinated against > >> > FeLV. > >> > > > But, they had already been in very close contact for a long time. If > >> > you do > >> > > > decide to bring in a negative cat, definitely make sure he/she is > >> > > > vaccinated against FeLV. It is not a fool proof vaccine but it helps. > >> > > > > >> > > > However, perhaps you could find another FeLV+ friend for Merlot. You > >> > could > >> > > > alert volunteers and staff at your local shelters and rescues to > >> > contact > >> > > > you before euthanizing if one of their strays tests positive for FeLV > >> > or if > >> > > > they hear of any positive cats. Or keep an eye on local rescue > >> > websites. We > >> > > > have one in the U.S. called Craigslist where people are always > >> > > > dumping > >> > or > >> > > > rehoming their pets. > >> > > > > >> > > > I personally wouldn't want to introduce a healthy cat to my positive > >> > cat. > >> > > > But that's an interesting perspective about saving one from death > >> > > > row, > >> > and > >> > > > certainly something to consider. And I know others on the list have > >> > done > >> > > > it, without many issues. Hopefully you can find a positive friend for > >> > > > Merlot. I do hate to think of him being lonely! <3 > >> > > > > >> > > > Katherine > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > So, my one cat Merlot is clearly lonely. He is used to being > >> > > > > second > >> > in > >> > > > > command to our cat Yang who passed away. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I work with a cat rescue, and the cats there all live communally > >> > until > >> > > > > they are adopted (with a quarantine area for cats on meds/who are > >> > really > >> > > > > sick). She thinks that there isn't much of a problem with bringing > >> > another > >> > > > > cat in to the house, as long as the other cat is not immune > >> > compromised, > >> > > > > etc. This contrasts with what my vet says - no other cat contact. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I'm not sure who to believe here. Obviously FELV is contagious, > >> > > > > and > >> > it is > >> > > > > passed from cat to cat. The chance of that increases with > >> > > > > increased > >> > > > > contact, but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been > >> > running > >> > > > > the place she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them > >> > died from > >> > > > > it, and she had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them > >> > > > > test > >> > > > > negative for FELV recently. I can't imagine being responsible for > >> > exposing > >> > > > > another cat to the virus and getting them sick, but I also feel bad > >> > for > >> > > > > Merlot who is lonely. I was thining maybe I would consider (in six > >> > months > >> > > > > or so), trying to take in a cat who was not going to find another > >> > home. > >> > > > > ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to > >> > put down. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > Maya D'Alessio > >> > > > > PhD student > >> > > > > B1 377B, x32320 > >> > > > > Graduate Student Endowment Fund Coordinator > >> > > > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > >> > > > > GSA Director At-Large > >> > > > > University of Waterloo > >> > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > Felvtalk mailing list > >> > > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > > Subject: Digest Footer > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Felvtalk mailing list > >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > > > >> > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 > >> > > ************************************** > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Love and Katnip, > >> > > ~Kat~ =^,,^= > >> > > > >> > > "I'm Kat Parker. I park cats." > >> > > "Spay & neuter your neighbors... maybe THAT will fix the problem." > >> > > "Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE & HAPPY > >> > cat!" > >> > > > >> > > http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Felvtalk mailing list > >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Felvtalk mailing list > >> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Maya D'Alessio > >> PhD student > >> B1 377B, x32320 > >> Graduate Student Endowment Fund Coordinator > >> Biology GSA Vice Chair > >> GSA Director At-Large > >> University of Waterloo > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
