TRUE, WE DO HAVE RACCOONS, SQUIRRELS AND POSSUM THAT COME ON THE DECK, MOSTLY 
AT NIGHT.  HARLEY IS ALWAYS IN BEFORE SUNSET TO AVOID CONTACT WITH THEM.  
SQUIRRELS , ACTUALLY, ONLY COME IF THERE IS SUNFLOWER SEED FOR THE BIRDS.  I AM 
MOVING MY FEEDERS OFF THE DECK MOSTLY BECAUSE THE COONS TEAR UP THE BOARDS 
TRYING TO GET TO FALLEN SEED.  HAD TO REPLACE A LOT OF BOARDS THIS YEAR THANKS 
TO THEM.

---- Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 
> 
> While I don;t neccesarily disagree with your choice, I would keep in mind 
> that some diseases remain in the soil for years (Panleukopenia is probably 
> the worst). A rabid anial may well behave so differently that it will come on 
> your deck during the day.
> 
> Your decision, of course.
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: dlg...@windstream.net
> >Sent: Aug 14, 2014 8:02 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
> >
> >THAT IS WHY I HAVE BACKED OFF FROM VACCINATIONS.  ONLY HARLEY GOES OUT AND 
> >HE STAYS NEAR THE HOUSE AND ON THE DECK.  THE OTHERS WILL GO OUT AND LAY IN 
> >THE SUN ON THE DECK SO I CANNOT SEE PUTTING THEM THROUGH A POSSIBLE REACTION 
> >WHEN THEY DO NOT COME INTO CONTACT WITH DOGS OR CATS AND THEY ARE INSIDE 
> >WHEN THE RACOONS COME OUT AT NIGHT.
> >
> >---- Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >> I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went
> >> from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV
> >> because we didn't know she had it).  By Thursday evening she was gravely
> >> ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning.
> >> 
> >> I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune
> >> reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system.  She would
> >> have passed away eventually, she was ill.  But her response was so
> >> immediate and so intense.  I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any
> >> immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Hi Kat,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks so much for your reply.
> >> >
> >> > Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue
> >> > with pos. cats
> >> > or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share?
> >> >
> >> > Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have?
> >> >
> >> > Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long
> >> > story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos.
> >> > test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that
> >> > point) and as she was chasing him around
> >> > and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with 
> >> > the
> >> > local animal control and he had to be quarantined
> >> > for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways.  He had received
> >> > his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this
> >> > so they said it wouldn't be effective yet....I was worried that if he had
> >> > a chance to throw the virus off he
> >> > would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine.  He now is very
> >> > sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I
> >> > am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will
> >> > get rabies, but never want him to have to be
> >> > quarantined again!
> >> >
> >> > Thanks so much!
> >> > Shelley
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker <korruptaki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't 
> >> > > so
> >> > either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with 
> >> > being
> >> > positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again,
> >> > probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a
> >> > positive cat?  The law is ot going to be enforced in your home  it's not 
> >> > a
> >> > big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have 
> >> > that
> >> > antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop
> >> > antibodies.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thursday, August 14, 2014, <felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org>
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> >> > >
> >> > >    1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye)
> >> > >    2. Re: New & have question (dlg...@windstream.net)
> >> > >    3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > Message: 1
> >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400
> >> > > From: Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net>
> >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no?
> >> > > Message-ID: <79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net>
> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Lance,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am not sure!  I will ask her.  She is pretty great.  Didn't even
> >> > consider euth. when he tested positive.  Went ahead and neutered Leo and
> >> > told me the news later that day.
> >> > >
> >> > > I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year
> >> > when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the 
> >> > > vet
> >> > clinic.  I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP.
> >> > >
> >> > > We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between
> >> > vaccines if do the FVRCP.  I thought that was good of her
> >> > > to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once.  I
> >> > never realized that until a few years ago.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this,  will probably
> >> > just do the rabies though for now.
> >> > >
> >> > > Shelley
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto
> >> > Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to
> >> > recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never
> >> > did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at 
> >> > the
> >> > vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go
> >> > with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma 
> >> > (we
> >> > used to call them vax site sarcomas).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and 
> >> > > > protective
> >> > cat parent.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best wishes for you and Leo,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Lance
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Hi All,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about 
> >> > > >> how
> >> > everyone feels about vaccinating
> >> > > >> their Leukemia pos. cats in general.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is
> >> > caused cats to become ill afterwards.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the
> >> > Purevax like I did last year, but he
> >> > > >> has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first
> >> > got him and he was neutered and
> >> > > >> I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards.  At the time I
> >> > thought he was a feral cat, he actually was,
> >> > > >> but has since become quite tame.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the
> >> > cautionary emails on the subject.
> >> > > >> I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet
> >> > clinic when he goes in for a check up for
> >> > > >> for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to
> >> > throw this out there again for thoughts on
> >> > > >> this subject.  Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be
> >> > less dangerous, etc?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds
> >> > like he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines
> >> > > >> as an adult and then can stop.  Am I overthinking this?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Thanks for any advice.  So far, knock on wood, he is doing great,
> >> > though he is lonely, but I think since he was initially
> >> > > >> semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him.  we built him a nice mini
> >> > screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys
> >> > > >> and spend time with him daily.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Best,
> >> > > >> Shelley
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
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> >> > >
> >> > > ------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > Message: 2
> >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:52:09 -0500
> >> > > From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
> >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
> >> > > Message-ID: <20140813175209.WYRYT.48742.root@pamxwww05-z01>
> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >> > >
> >> > > i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL.  IT IS A GOOD
> >> > ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT.  I USE A TABLESPOON EACH 
> >> > DAY,
> >> >  IT TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS AFTERWARDS.
> >> >  (I JUST SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY 
> >> > MOUTH.)
> >> > > ---- Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >> > > > I don?t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward
> >> > oral health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET 
> >> > makes
> >> > pet dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should
> >> > bring up their site. I believe they?re owned by Virbac.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and
> >> > DMG (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I 
> >> > often
> >> > gave her Prescription Diet t/d as a ?treat?. We rarely had any gum or 
> >> > teeth
> >> > issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good
> >> > for a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best wishes for you and the calico kitten,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Lance
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes <sweet2bcota...@att.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi everyone,
> >> > > > > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original
> >> > test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and 
> >> > have
> >> > done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results 
> >> > now.
> >> >  I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to 
> >> > promote
> >> > oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post.  Can
> >> > someone help me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to decide on 
> >> > course
> >> > of treatment.  Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats.
> >> > > > > Thanks, Susan
> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > Message: 3
> >> > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:35 -0500
> >> > > From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
> >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV contagious
> >> > > Message-ID: <20140813175335.NI5VP.48748.root@pamxwww05-z01>
> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >> > >
> >> > > THAT IS THE ONLY VACCINE I GET NOW AND I MAY STOP IT SINCE MY PRIDE 
> >> > > DOES
> >> > NOT GET INTO BITING FIGHTS, JUST SNARLING AND HISSING AND SWATTING.
> >> > > ---- "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Hi Maya,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have 2 cats who have lived together for a long time. I found out 
> >> > > > one
> >> > was
> >> > > > positive. The other tested negative, so I had her vaccinated against
> >> > FeLV.
> >> > > > But, they had already been in very close contact for a long time. If
> >> > you do
> >> > > > decide to bring in a negative cat, definitely make sure he/she is
> >> > > > vaccinated against FeLV. It is not a fool proof vaccine but it helps.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > However, perhaps you could find another FeLV+ friend for Merlot. You
> >> > could
> >> > > > alert volunteers and staff at your local shelters and rescues to
> >> > contact
> >> > > > you before euthanizing if one of their strays tests positive for FeLV
> >> > or if
> >> > > > they hear of any positive cats. Or keep an eye on local rescue
> >> > websites. We
> >> > > > have one in the U.S. called Craigslist where people are always 
> >> > > > dumping
> >> > or
> >> > > > rehoming their pets.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I personally wouldn't want to introduce a healthy cat to my positive
> >> > cat.
> >> > > > But that's an interesting perspective about saving one from death 
> >> > > > row,
> >> > and
> >> > > > certainly something to consider. And I know others on the list have
> >> > done
> >> > > > it, without many issues. Hopefully you can find a positive friend for
> >> > > > Merlot. I do hate to think of him being lonely! <3
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Katherine
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > So, my one cat Merlot is clearly lonely.  He is used to being 
> >> > > > > second
> >> > in
> >> > > > > command to our cat Yang who passed away.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I work with a cat rescue, and the cats there all live communally
> >> > until
> >> > > > > they are adopted (with a quarantine area for cats on meds/who are
> >> > really
> >> > > > > sick).  She thinks that there isn't much of a problem with bringing
> >> > another
> >> > > > > cat in to the house, as long as the other cat is not immune
> >> > compromised,
> >> > > > > etc.  This contrasts with what my vet says - no other cat contact.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I'm not sure who to believe here.  Obviously FELV is contagious, 
> >> > > > > and
> >> > it is
> >> > > > > passed from cat to cat.  The chance of that increases with 
> >> > > > > increased
> >> > > > > contact, but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been
> >> > running
> >> > > > > the place she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them
> >> > died from
> >> > > > > it, and she had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them 
> >> > > > > test
> >> > > > > negative for FELV recently.  I can't imagine being responsible for
> >> > exposing
> >> > > > > another cat to the virus and getting them sick, but I also feel bad
> >> > for
> >> > > > > Merlot who is lonely.  I was thining maybe I would consider (in six
> >> > months
> >> > > > > or so), trying to take in a cat who was not going to find another
> >> > home.
> >> > > > >  ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to
> >> > put down.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Maya D'Alessio
> >> > > > > PhD student
> >> > > > > B1 377B, x32320
> >> > > > > Graduate Student Endowment Fund Coordinator
> >> > > > > Biology GSA Vice Chair
> >> > > > > GSA Director At-Large
> >> > > > > University of Waterloo
> >> > > > >
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> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
> >> > > **************************************
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Love and Katnip,
> >> > >               ~Kat~     =^,,^=
> >> > >
> >> > > "I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats."
> >> > > "Spay & neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem."
> >> > > "Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE & HAPPY
> >> > cat!"
> >> > >
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> >> -- 
> >> Maya D'Alessio
> >> PhD student
> >> B1 377B, x32320
> >> Graduate Student Endowment Fund Coordinator
> >> Biology GSA Vice Chair
> >> GSA Director At-Large
> >> University of Waterloo
> >
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