Hi Jen,

I know this is a super difficult time for you, please don't apologize...

thank you for finding out the FVRCP vaccine brand, I'll check it out.

Hope Brynn's fatty area turns out to be nothing, hugs to you all.

Shelley


On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Jennifer Lewis <blonded...@mac.com> wrote:

> Shelley,
> 
> I'm sorry I've been out of touch. These past weeks have been very hard for 
> us. 
> 
> Smoosh's FVRCP was from Pfizer called FELOCELL. She had no reaction to the 
> shots, and I got them through one of my rescues. Again, we did not do rabies 
> as she wasn't going anywhere once she came to us, but Brynn had hers as she 
> was originally supposed to go to a sanctuary and the law required it.
> 
> Brynn has started to develop a fatty something on her side( I don't think 
> it's a vac site) . We are monitoring it closely. She is so lonely without 
> Smoosh. I'm really not sure who misses her the most, although I suspect it 
> might be me.
> 
> Jen
> On Aug 14, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Shelley Theye wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kat,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your reply. 
>> 
>> Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue 
>> with pos. cats 
>> or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share?
>> 
>> Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? 
>> 
>> Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long 
>> story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos.
>> test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that 
>> point) and as she was chasing him around 
>> and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the 
>> local animal control and he had to be quarantined 
>> for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways.  He had received 
>> his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this
>> so they said it wouldn't be effective yet....I was worried that if he had a 
>> chance to throw the virus off he 
>> would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine.  He now is very sweet 
>> but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I 
>> am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get 
>> rabies, but never want him to have to be 
>> quarantined again!  
>> 
>> Thanks so much! 
>> Shelley
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker <korruptaki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so 
>>> either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being 
>>> positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, 
>>> probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a 
>>> positive cat?  The law is ot going to be enforced in your home  it's not a 
>>> big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that 
>>> antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop 
>>> antibodies. 
>>> 
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>>>  1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye)
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>>>  3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400
>>> From: Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net>
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no?
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>>> Hi Lance,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure!  I will ask her.  She is pretty great.  Didn't even consider 
>>> euth. when he tested positive.  Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the 
>>> news later that day.
>>> 
>>> I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when 
>>> I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet 
>>> clinic.  I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP.
>>> 
>>> We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between 
>>> vaccines if do the FVRCP.  I thought that was good of her
>>> to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once.  I never 
>>> realized that until a few years ago.
>>> 
>>> I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this,  will probably just 
>>> do the rabies though for now.
>>> 
>>> Shelley
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto 
>>>> Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to 
>>>> recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never 
>>>> did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the 
>>>> vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough.
>>>> 
>>>> If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go 
>>>> with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma 
>>>> (we used to call them vax site sarcomas).
>>>> 
>>>> Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective cat 
>>>> parent.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes for you and Leo,
>>>> 
>>>> Lance
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye <ve...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how 
>>>>> everyone feels about vaccinating
>>>>> their Leukemia pos. cats in general.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is 
>>>>> caused cats to become ill afterwards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the 
>>>>> Purevax like I did last year, but he
>>>>> has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got 
>>>>> him and he was neutered and
>>>>> I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards.  At the time I 
>>>>> thought he was a feral cat, he actually was,
>>>>> but has since become quite tame.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the 
>>>>> cautionary emails on the subject.
>>>>> I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet clinic 
>>>>> when he goes in for a check up for
>>>>> for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to 
>>>>> throw this out there again for thoughts on
>>>>> this subject.  Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be less 
>>>>> dangerous, etc?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds like 
>>>>> he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines
>>>>> as an adult and then can stop.  Am I overthinking this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for any advice.  So far, knock on wood, he is doing great, though 
>>>>> he is lonely, but I think since he was initially
>>>>> semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him.  we built him a nice mini 
>>>>> screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys
>>>>> and spend time with him daily.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Shelley
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:52:09 -0500
>>> From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
>>> Message-ID: <20140813175209.WYRYT.48742.root@pamxwww05-z01>
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>>> 
>>> i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL.  IT IS A GOOD 
>>> ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT.  I USE A TABLESPOON EACH DAY,  
>>> IT TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS AFTERWARDS.  
>>> (I JUST SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY MOUTH.)
>>> ---- Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>> I don?t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward oral 
>>>> health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes pet 
>>>> dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should 
>>>> bring up their site. I believe they?re owned by Virbac.
>>>> 
>>>> After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and DMG 
>>>> (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often 
>>>> gave her Prescription Diet t/d as a ?treat?. We rarely had any gum or 
>>>> teeth issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be 
>>>> good for a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes for you and the calico kitten,
>>>> 
>>>> Lance
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes <sweet2bcota...@att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test 
>>>>> and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and have 
>>>>> done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results 
>>>>> now.  I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to 
>>>>> promote oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that 
>>>>> post.  Can someone help me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to 
>>>>> decide on course of treatment.  Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine 
>>>>> treats.
>>>>> Thanks, Susan
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:35 -0500
>>> From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV contagious
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>>> 
>>> THAT IS THE ONLY VACCINE I GET NOW AND I MAY STOP IT SINCE MY PRIDE DOES 
>>> NOT GET INTO BITING FIGHTS, JUST SNARLING AND HISSING AND SWATTING.
>>> ---- "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Maya,
>>>> 
>>>> I have 2 cats who have lived together for a long time. I found out one was
>>>> positive. The other tested negative, so I had her vaccinated against FeLV.
>>>> But, they had already been in very close contact for a long time. If you do
>>>> decide to bring in a negative cat, definitely make sure he/she is
>>>> vaccinated against FeLV. It is not a fool proof vaccine but it helps.
>>>> 
>>>> However, perhaps you could find another FeLV+ friend for Merlot. You could
>>>> alert volunteers and staff at your local shelters and rescues to contact
>>>> you before euthanizing if one of their strays tests positive for FeLV or if
>>>> they hear of any positive cats. Or keep an eye on local rescue websites. We
>>>> have one in the U.S. called Craigslist where people are always dumping or
>>>> rehoming their pets.
>>>> 
>>>> I personally wouldn't want to introduce a healthy cat to my positive cat.
>>>> But that's an interesting perspective about saving one from death row, and
>>>> certainly something to consider. And I know others on the list have done
>>>> it, without many issues. Hopefully you can find a positive friend for
>>>> Merlot. I do hate to think of him being lonely! <3
>>>> 
>>>> Katherine
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> So, my one cat Merlot is clearly lonely.  He is used to being second in
>>>>> command to our cat Yang who passed away.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I work with a cat rescue, and the cats there all live communally until
>>>>> they are adopted (with a quarantine area for cats on meds/who are really
>>>>> sick).  She thinks that there isn't much of a problem with bringing 
>>>>> another
>>>>> cat in to the house, as long as the other cat is not immune compromised,
>>>>> etc.  This contrasts with what my vet says - no other cat contact.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure who to believe here.  Obviously FELV is contagious, and it is
>>>>> passed from cat to cat.  The chance of that increases with increased
>>>>> contact, but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been 
>>>>> running
>>>>> the place she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them died from
>>>>> it, and she had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them test
>>>>> negative for FELV recently.  I can't imagine being responsible for 
>>>>> exposing
>>>>> another cat to the virus and getting them sick, but I also feel bad for
>>>>> Merlot who is lonely.  I was thining maybe I would consider (in six months
>>>>> or so), trying to take in a cat who was not going to find another home.
>>>>> ie. an older cat, or a cat from a society that they were about to put 
>>>>> down.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Maya D'Alessio
>>>>> PhD student
>>>>> B1 377B, x32320
>>>>> Graduate Student Endowment Fund Coordinator
>>>>> Biology GSA Vice Chair
>>>>> GSA Director At-Large
>>>>> University of Waterloo
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