At 06:23 PM 07/06/2004, Mark D Lew wrote:
>> fonts, the space which comes with (i.e., above) the period combines
>> with the word space which follows to give the appearance of being
>> slightly wider than word space alone. This is the part of the non
>> sequitur that is missing.
>
>Right, but the period accomplishes this in either kind of font, and, as
>I'm sure you realize, it does so even more in a monospace font, since
>the period character is relatively wider there.

Yes, but the period also comes with a fair amount of space to its left -- close to half a word space worth! This is the effect that double-spacing is supposed to overcome.

Frankly, I think the argument for double-spacing in monospaced fonts is not overly persuasive -- but it is *reasonable*. I've been flogging it here just to try show that even if one believes in double-spacing there, that same justification does not exist in proportionately spaced fonts.

>> But I think single-spacing in proportionately spaced fonts is an
>> established rule. At least it is among typesetters and printers, and I
>> think there's no reason for ordinary typists not to follow.
>
>But also no reason to jump on them and call them ignorant when they
>don't.

Well, I don't think I did that -- at least not here. <g>

>  You're right that it was the rule for typesetters. On the
>machines I worked on (Compugraphic)

We had those for my high school paper, but I wasn't doing typography yet. My brother used them his freshman year, and then they bought a bunch of Macs.

>Typesetting per se doesn't even exist anymore, or only barely.

There's actually a groundswell of interest in letterpress these days. I printed my own wedding invitations a few years ago, survived a round of derision from my inlaws ("What do you mean, they're not engraved?"), and then had the pleasure of sending them a lengthy article from the NY Times to the effect that letterpress invitations are now really *in* among those in the know.

>There are a lot of things we routinely did in
>typesetting that aren't done now.  A few things aren't even possible.
>Most are possible in the better programs but rarely are.

I'd be interested in hearing more about this, possibly off-list. I feel like Quark is about as close to manipulating actual type as you can get.

>The only thing I would add is that typesetting always taught
>a single space after a period for ANY font, not just a proportionally
>spaced one.

You'd have more experience with this, on a Compugraphic -- I don't think I've seen any monospaced letterpress fonts.

Aaron.

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