The large orchestral piece I'm working on now calls for this effect through 
most of it, in all of the brass and woodwinds (w/o mouthpieces or reeds 
depending on instrument), mostly p or mp. He notated this in his manuscript 
with a clef (since it's large sections, not just a note here and there). I've 
never come across this before, so I simply followed his notation and created a 
custom clef as a vertical rectangle, sort of like a percussion rectangular 
clef, but larger. The notes just lie on the middle line, as there are no 
pitches specified.

Since this has coincidentally come up today, I figure I should ask, is this is 
a notation others have seen?

On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
> IIRC Ligeti calls on his brass players in Atmosphères to blow air through the 
> instruments without any definite pitch or characteristic brass instrument 
> sound. Does anyone here know of others who have done this, and what the 
> limits are? (You'd think having been a brass player I'd know this, but 
> nothing comes to mind at the moment.)
> 
> Aaron J. Rabushka
> arabus...@austin.rr.com 


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