In this score X noteheads and diamonds are used for other things in both the 
brass and woodwinds, so that might be confusing.

I don't have the Stone (gasp), so I don't know what he shows.

On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
> I've seen X heads for solid rhythmic values and diamonds for half and whole 
> notes, with cresc. and dim. wedges. No need for a special clef, and it 
> usually happens on the middle line of whatever clef we already happen to be 
> in (trombones!)
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> On 12-Mar-10, at 12-Mar-10  5:56 PM, Rich Caldwell wrote:
> 
>> The large orchestral piece I'm working on now calls for this effect through 
>> most of it, in all of the brass and woodwinds (w/o mouthpieces or reeds 
>> depending on instrument), mostly p or mp. He notated this in his manuscript 
>> with a clef (since it's large sections, not just a note here and there). 
>> I've never come across this before, so I simply followed his notation and 
>> created a custom clef as a vertical rectangle, sort of like a percussion 
>> rectangular clef, but larger. The notes just lie on the middle line, as 
>> there are no pitches specified.
>> 
>> Since this has coincidentally come up today, I figure I should ask, is this 
>> is a notation others have seen?
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
>>> IIRC Ligeti calls on his brass players in Atmosphères to blow air through 
>>> the instruments without any definite pitch or characteristic brass 
>>> instrument sound. Does anyone here know of others who have done this, and 
>>> what the limits are? (You'd think having been a brass player I'd know this, 
>>> but nothing comes to mind at the moment.)
>>> 
>>> Aaron J. Rabushka
>>> [email protected]
>> 


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