Indeed. Aslo, can we stop pretending that sight-reading tonal, key-signature-based, traditionally-noted scores uses the same skillset as sight-reading non-tonal, non-key-signature, unconventionally-notated scores? I think we've all seen some pretty impressive "repetiteurs" (to use Steve's word) get all tangled up as soon as they are presented with material that's even slightly outside of their usual comfort zone.
Which is fine -- we all have things we can't do, because our musical communities are such that we haven't needed to put in the time to learn how to do them. To state the obvious: everyone has their own limitations, and just because someone's areas of expertise and specialization are different from yours doesn't necessarily mean they're less skilled. Cheers, - DJA ----- WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Oct 12, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Robert Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > Once again we have the assumption that the use of C scores implies anything > whatsoever about the skillset of the people that use them. > > That said, if you can't read C scores, there's a whole lot of important > literature that is a closed book to you. > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Steve Parker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm an old enough repetiteur that standard skillset includes reading and >> reducing at sight orchestral, windband and brassband scores. >> >> C scores give me (irrationally) the same kind of offence I would get from >> transposing the works of Chopin into C major to make them easier to >> learn.... >> >> Steve P. >> >> On 12 Oct 2012, at 17:11, Patrick Sheehan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> In the same vein for hearing things in your head, EVERY SCORE in this >> world >>> should be a C-Score. EVERY. SCORE. >>> >>> Patrick J. M. Sheehan >>> Music Director, Instructor: Woodlawn Arts Academy >>> P. S. Music >>> Host: "The Saturday Blues" on 89.5 WNIJ-FM, 1 pm - 4 pm (CST) & WNIJ.org >>> 1-815-973-2317 (m) >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Froom [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:40 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Transposition Exp. >>> >>> On 2 Oct 2012, at 1:00 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>> >>>> One could discuss all day longs things that singers should and should >> not >>>> do. I think books have been written on the subject. But they are beside >>> the >>>> point here. >>>> >>>> What I am saying is, if you want the best performance out of the most >>>> number of singers, I highly recommend providing a C score. I have paid >> the >>>> price for not so doing and I won't make the same mistake twice. >>> >>> Robert is absolutely correct here! This is my experience, even with >>> well-known, successful singers, even those who have sung a lot of >>> contemporary music. They simply want to be able to quickly find their >> pitch >>> from the score, and if they are constantly checking to see who is playing >>> and remembering what that instrument's transposition (at the moment, for >>> scores with switching instruments), it can seriously disrupt a rehearsal >>> and/or a performance. The best singers, if you give them a transposed >>> score, might just ask you to make a C score for them. I'm talking about >>> non-tonal music here. >>> >>> Conductors keep their eyes on the whole thing all the time. Singers have >>> their own part, but in performance need to look out at the audience as >> much >>> as possible, so they jump back to their score for quick reference to >> their >>> part as well as the other instruments, often jumping from instrument to >>> instrument for a reference pitch. They also have to think about dramatic >>> projection, etc. Why make their lives more difficult, or increase even >> by a >>> couple of hours the time needed for learning and rehearsing? >>> >>> My solution is to create a C score for the singer and a transposed score >> for >>> the conductor. Everyone is happy, no one is confused. >>> >>> David Froom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
