Case and point:
1) There -IS- no xfree icon on my harddrive, despite system-xfree being
installed and Xfree86 NOT being installed (remember, I asked a question
about that. BTW, like I've stated Many times before, the ONLY time
I've gotten Any version of x-windows to run (besides Apples) was when I
did install Xfree86--which has since been removed via command line
because I was told here that doing so was a good idea). I then asked
how to get that version of X to run Fink apps, after which I received
replies consisting of command line strings that either had typos in
them, or were not represented within a context that would render them
useful.
2) The Fink installation of system-xfree SAID to Install Apple's X and
then install system-xfree again (which was also eluded to in previous
posts). However, in this very email, it's implied that I need to have
one in order to have the other, but -Also- that having Both is my
problem.
3) If the question I have asked (and I say again, for which I have been
unable to find answers to via the internet) had just been answered
pragmatically, within context and without intellectual flexing, this
whole topic would have been history a month ago.
I did it before via the command line, Before Fink, but since then some
things have changed since then. I have only sought what those changes
are. I have tried to state my questions as simply as possible, but
have rarely received a straight, clear answer from this list, to the
point where sometimes it felt as if the answers were intentionally
being with held (which I know is not true.)
I've even stated questions to this list in the form that would only
require Yes, No, or do this, then this, then this replies, and not even
those questions could be answered without hyperbole or the interjecting
of intellectual hubris. My attempts to further trim and melt down the
questions from what I could decipher from the replies were just as
fruitless.
So forgive me for finding the fucking hypertexed manuals just as
obscure, convoluted and unhelpful as your email. What it boils down to
is this, Leave out the Geek Speak and just answer my fucking questions
so I can stop having to start over and over again.
Example:
1) Exactly what (and how) (and in what order) do I need to remove so I
can start over?
2) (And this is where it all began) Exactly what (and how) (and in what
order) do I need to install to have a Full-screen x-window environment
from which I can install and run GNOME, KDE, Ethereal, Sawfish, etc..?
That's all.
That's it.
And if the Fink links could address the Exactly what's, Exactly hows,
and in what order, I wouldn't have be looking to the street corner to
find answers.
On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:34:07 +0200, Eric Hoch wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
> Greg wrote:
>
>> Am I to understand that Apples x11 is interchangeable with xdarwins
>> xfree86 (except for the lack of a full-screen mode)?
>
> No not directly and not really. Both Xfree86 and Apple's X11 are
> X-Window Servers and as far as I know there are other X-Windows
> Servers out there as well but these two are the most popular ones,
> the latter one in the mac world, the first one in the gnu/linux/BSD
> etc world.
>
> They both share a common base and basic functionality but in as many
> points as there is congruence there is differences betwenn them,
> mostly in the libraries.
>
> Do a google search and you will surely find a lot of information about this.
>
>> Since xfree is Still not showing signs of life on my machine, and
>> the only time it did was when I installed the xfree complete
>> package, what would happen if I went ahead and installed it again,
>> now, after installing the other packages?
> It cannot show signs of life. What has to show since of live is the
> X11 that you start up using the Icon it created. System xfree is
> invisible it's kind of a fake for fink which pretends to be xfree
> installed by fink even though it isn't.
>
> Fink guys correct me if I am wrong at this point.
>
>> (I also have the The XFree86 Project version on a mounted volume.
>> Is it the same thing? Is one preferred over the the other?
>
> There's a light at the end of the tunnel or I can see clearly now,
> which song do you prefer? If you have both Apple's X11 and Xfree86 on
> your Mac and fink system-xfree installed then it is pretty clear why
> nothing is working. Your configuartion is pretty screwed up and I
> recommand you to delete fink, Xfree86 and Apple's X11 and then to
> start up from the scratch.
>
> Then you have the choice to eihter
>
> -install xfree86 via fink and all is good
>
> or
>
> - install Xfree direct from the original Xfree86.org sources/binaries
> or Apple's X11 and after that install system-xfree86 via fink and all
> should be good as well as with the first soltion. This combination
> runs on my Mac for now about a month or two and I have no problems
> with it.
>
>> And even-though I been searching the Fink links for the last few
>> days, I've searched it before and abandoned it because, like I said
>> yesterday, I found the information there non-linere and rife with
>> gaps were certain assumptions are made regarding the knowledge of
>> the reader. Options seem to be mixed in with step-by-step procedure,
>> making me hesitant to try anything.
>
> Do you have any Linux, Unix experience? If not so then sure it is
> pretty hard to understand the manuals but at first this was it for me
> too and I only did step for step what was written in these man pages
> and I too asked a lot of questions but what I also did was going to
> the library searching for basic books about Unix and X, searched with
> google and read a lot in mailing list archives. There are a lot of
> informativ sources out there in the Net and in the real world and
> slowly you will understand what you are doing.
>
> And with a little basic knowledge about Computers you should be able
> to understand what is written on the fink pages and then there was a
> link posted to another site and if you follow this link you're
> reaching a site that is less technical but describes the basics of
> fink.
>
> Read the goddammed fucking manual!!!!1
>
> OS X is diffrent from Classic OS. Make up your horizon for somehting
> new or forgett about it.
>
> Eric
>
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