Randy,
Very good point on the beta issue. I agree with you 100%, I personally enjoy
doing beta testing. It is a good way to learn about a product, and you can get some
good insight on how it will turn out. Also you might get a feature in the finished
product. It helps everyone.
The other person point about what is tried and what is not is also way out of line.
Anyway.. You made a very good point with you note.
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On 7/10/2001 at 13:29 Graham, Randy (RAW) wrote:
>I feel the "paying-beta-tester" slam is a little out of line, especially
>when the alternative is "a more stable and more mature product." I realize
>that in the security arena, new typically means "not as secure," but I
>still
>think this is a bit too much of a slam. Unless you have used the product
>and have specific points to point out against it, please refrain from such
>juvenile posts. Furthermore, your link where "...even Stonesoft's
>customers
>have their doubts..." seems more of a complaint against marketing drivel
>being posted to a technical list than an expression of doubt over
>Stonegate's abilities in the firewalling arena.
>
>I read your post and it comes across somewhat ridiculing the original
>poster. If you can't give good reason for not using a product beyond the
>fact that it is new and untested by the community at large, I don't see why
>you feel the need to treat someone asking about it as if they are an
>uninformed idiot.
>
>Randy Graham
>--
>You're kind of trying to pick between "horible disaster" and "attrocious
>disaster" -- Paul D. Robertson (on VNC vs. PPTP)
>http://www.securitynewbie.com/ - for people like me
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martin Hoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:09 PM
>> To: Slade Edmonds
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Stonegate Firewall ( what do you think? )
>>
>>
>> Slade Edmonds wrote:
>> >
>> > I wanna know what people out there think about the
>> Stonegate Firewall
>> > product. Is it good? Do people actually use it? Are
>> there people that
>> > *dont't* like it? Etc. Etc.
>>
>> StoneGate is actually a new guy in the firewalls arena... (March 2001)
>> So, you probably will be one of the first people around the world
>> using it... It's up to you to be a "paying-beta-tester" or use a more
>> stable and more mature product (I guess you already know the names).
>>
>> See, even Stonesoft's customers have their doubts about seeing an
>> HA company (in which they do it very well) now trying to make
>> firewalls...
>> http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/stonebeat-0104/18/1.html
>>
>> I saw a demo past days... and lots of features (at least the GUI
>> ones, and some others about functionality) seems very similar to the
>> Check Point's Next Generation ones... any way, I think the new
>> Check Point's GUI is more cute... ;-)
>> http://www.checkpoint.com/products/ng/ngui.html
>>
>> Another thing: they seem to prefer to fight at courts, rather than
>> push their technology and let the market decide:
>> http://www.stonesoft.com/press-releases/856.html
>> Sounds to me like a desperate company trying to make their numbers...
>>
>> You can try it anyway. Nothing to lose... ;-)
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> --
>> Martin H. Hoz-Salvador
>> EX-A-IEC, EX-A-FIME
>> http://gama.fime.uanl.mx/~mhoz
>>
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