I agree, seems like a crazy statement. And while I agree that modifying your implementation for a minority is something I'd rather not do, it's not a luxury we have with some of our main clients - You don't just go and tell a fortune 500 company "um, sorry that it failed on your lame computer at home. Everyone else on the web is up to speed, so we're really not concerned with your statistic. Please upgrade your system appropriately". I know that sounds erogant and might not be the way to handle it, but then, so do these comments about "i'm not going to stop writing Object/embed tags with javascript for a minority of users".
yeah I totaly get what you're saying, you don't need to re-itterate anymore than has already been said here. The fact is, we often DO have to account for that minority, especially when it's the guy paying the bills. And yeah, that sucks, but it's life. So, bottom line -it IS an issue to deal with. my seemingly worthless 2cents on the matter, JG On 4/9/06, Michael Bedar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While this is true, it seems very backward to need JS to view Flash > content... > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Paul BH wrote: > > > I second what Steven says - to give you a bit of perspective, I worked > > on the relaunch of fhm.com about a year or so ago, and we looked into > > what implications there would be for requiring end users to have flash > > to be able to use the site. As part of this, we used a thing called > > browserhawk to understand what sort of systems people were looking at > > the site with. We ran it for 24 hours and got feedback from 75000 > > visitors to the site. Of those, only 3 had javaScript disabled... Only > > a snapshot of end users I know, but after that, I stopped worrying > > about users w/o js. > > > > > > > > On 4/9/06, Steven Sacks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You also have to consider what users are turning off Javascript. > >> > >> First, Javascript is turned on by default. Second, you have to be > >> somewhat > >> savvy to know what Javascript is, much less turn it off, and also > >> know what > >> purpose turning it off serves. Third, you need to have a reason > >> to turn it > >> off. These things combined means that people who turn off > >> Javascript are > >> more than likely well aware of the consequences of this action, > >> it's not > >> just Flash that's effected. It's pretty much any plug-in and any > >> DHTML > >> site. Almost every site on the web uses Javascript now in some > >> form or > >> another. I wonder just how many people turn off Javascript and > >> are they > >> really worth going after? They obviously want a very limited and > >> controlled > >> web experience. > >> > >> It's like trying to advertise on cable television channels to > >> people who > >> only have antenna reception. You're just not going to reach that > >> very small > >> audience, so get over it. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >> To change your subscription options or search the archive: > >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >> > >> Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > >> Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > >> http://www.figleaf.com > >> http://training.figleaf.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > > http://www.figleaf.com > > http://training.figleaf.com > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > -- John Grden - Blitz _______________________________________________ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
