I have the stand alone version then, not the plug-in.  

>> No, this is actually a Good Thing(tm). Eclipse is a mature environment
>>with lots of people improving it regularly. And because of its plugin
>>architecture, you can use it for all sorts of things.

I understand what you mean, but I am using the stand alone.  If Flexbuilder had 
been its own 100% Adobe-made application (meaning not coupled to Eclipse), 
having the stand alone version of Flexbuilder, I could still download and run 
Eclipse separately and use it for other things.  And Adobe loses a lot of 
control over the UI by having it be integrated or as a plug-in for Eclipse - or 
at least, they have not modified it to look like other Adobe apps - it looks 
totally separate. Also, due to the nature of working for a huge company with 
lots of IT security measures, we have to go through lengthy architecture 
reviews of software before it gets installed.  Since Eclipse is basically an 
open-sourced application, and is always changing, it makes it much harder to 
get through our approval process.  If Adobe had made their own standalone app, 
life would have been much easier, I wouldn't have spent time trying to tweak 
Flexbuilder memory settings or Eclipse memory settings, it would !
 have been one single app to worry about fixing.  I still don't quite get how 
they are integrated.    

Overall, you're probably right though as far as the benefits outweighing 
drawbacks, just from my experience with this memory error and with trying to 
get it packaged for Tivoli, its been very confusing to understand and explain 
how the two work together for a single application experience.  I get along 
just fine now with FlashDevelop + Flex SDK minus the fact the SDK doesn't 
include charting unfortunately.


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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Watts
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:48 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Favorite Flex book?

> This experience has made me really dislike the fact that Adobe essentially
> built an Eclipse Plug-in instead of a single app, but I also understand why
> they did it

No, this is actually a Good Thing(tm). Eclipse is a mature environment
with lots of people improving it regularly. And because of its plugin
architecture, you can use it for all sorts of things. For example, my
Eclipse install includes FlexBuilder, J2EE toolchain, CFEclipse,
Oxygen, Aptana, etc. And there are lots of third-party tools to help
manage Eclipse and plugin updates.

> > If you're using the Flex Builder integrated install
>
> What does that mean?  How would I know?  Thanks.

You can either install Flex Builder with Eclipse, or into an existing
Eclipse install. The version of Eclipse that comes with Flex Builder
is not the latest version - if I recall correctly, it's 3.2.

To find out which you have, the integrated Flex Builder/Eclipse is
installed in c:\program files\adobe, while if you installed Eclipse
separately, it'd be wherever you put it - typically, c:\eclipse. Also,
you get different splash screens.

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