Robert, Please do us all a favor and start your own blog. That's really the appropriate place for comentary. I appologize for faning the FLAME, but this thread should have died a long time ago.
Thank you, -TH --- In [email protected], Robert Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As Adam Sandler would say, and I'll just quote him to be kind, "Ha, > ha, ha, ha, ha......Shut up". > > :-) > > That Arm may atrophy for all we know; develop some kind of, hmmmm > (sorry my mouth got stuck from your gum), cancer or disease? > > Thought I'd return a joke with a joke (but take the other parts > seriously unless your a j'off, ummmmm, sorry java officially certified > developer). > > -r > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote: > > > > > > > At least it appears you are not chewing gum whilst, ummm, typing now. > > > > Someone care to tell Robert that Adobe has a consulting arm? Oddly > > enough its called Adobe Consulting and its not really a spring pup > > either. > > > > ......exit stage left! > > > > DK > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Doug McCune > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > Well, as long as we've got public defenders like yourself who will > > contact the Department of Justice, I feel safe. Let's do a class > > action lawsuit for buzzword and photoshop express while we're at it. > > > > [sorry, sometimes I just can't help poking threads that I know I > > should just let die] > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > Looks like my thoughts have been confirmed, by someone. > > > > > > Selling development tools and having a developer community is one of > > the best kept secrets in the "Evangelist" style of Marketing. > > > > The first time a FLEX developer bids on a project and the client > > tells them they are using Adobe Scene7, that's when the issues > > begin, and once they begin, they will get worse. > > > > Prior to the acquisition of Macromedia, Adobe was a fairly even > > player with Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF, primarily and imaging > > and document firm. > > > > Now, if Scene7.com does what I think it will be doing, and as you > > seem to have confirmed below, it is going to take the momentum of > > the Flash Player, begun by FutureWave Technologies (an honorable > > group), Macromedia (an honorable group), and take that into the > > Developer Arena Capitalizing on the all the wide-spread knowledge > > that Flash and more recently FLEX developers have provided for them. > > > > "Shortage of work" is a relative term. Ask any developer who has > > bid on eLance.com and you'll understand the dynamics of bidding > > against others for contracts. > > > > If it turns out that Adobe begins to take the momentum achieved by > > it's predecessors, namely it's acquisitions (which is has a right > > to), and it's developers (which, if Scene7.com turns out to be as > > you describe and I believe it will), then it is an ETHICAL ISSUE > > that will not go away, and I'm giving fair-warning to any developer > > out there (and yes, I do have the experience I've said I do to the > > gentleman out there that questioned that). > > > > I've been through thousands of pages of an unamed companies > > documents to find out how they really work, and how they really look > > at Developers. Adobe appears to be on that same road, and the more > > signs I see of it, the more I will support other efforts. > > > > For those inclined to be offended easily, I'd ask not to shout > > against me or anyone else giving an opinion, but For your own sakes, > > keep an eye on ACTIONS not WORDS. You'd be surprised what larger > > corporations, especially ones that we all know the name of [not > > Adobe] that gained their momentum on the backs of the developer > > community, only to turn against them with hidden DLL API's, hacks > > against licensed technology to make it perform poorly under their > > platform, etc. (again this is not Adobe as I just said). > > > > However, when a Consumer Software company, which Adobe was, starts > > changing Acrobat to have an SDK (that's their right) and but then > > goes beyond that to provide a far better Plug-in, only made possible > > by the light weight plug-in efforts of FutureWave, and for the past > > few years gaining momentum on the development efforts and expensive > > purchases of development tools ; when that line is blurred it will > > ultimately turn out bad for the developer. > > > > For the gentleman who said "shortage of jobs" again, that's not the > > issue as I just explained in eLance.com / The issue is that people > > will Buy and will Trust Adobe more than a developer or even a small > > development firm when it comes to bidding online. Local efforts are > > different. > > > > If the below turns out to be true of FLEX vs. Scene7.com (a > > potential guise of a Consumer mid-level Product Manager), then the > > FLEX, and more especially the ActionScript component and development > > community as a while since Macromedia's aquisition will have at that > > point been betrayed and yes, at that point, or any sign of it (in > > the form of Actions, not Promises, do not trust the promises of a > > large Corp. unless you've tried them true), if there is that sign or > > signs, then yes it's time to get on with it and get out and support > > more honorable people like Apple and Steve Jobs. > > > > At this point I wish Macromedia never sold to Adobe.com / This isn't > > looking pretty for the FLEX community. I'll certainly keep my Lexis- > > Nexis handy and press contacts (and in several years, if it turns > > bad, the FTC and DOJ). > > > > -r > > > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: > > > >> > >> At this point, Adobe is not likely to abandon Scene7 due to > >> developer concerns. The way I see it, Adobe has been taking on > >> consulting engagements for some time, just like IBM does, and I > >> think having an offering of best of breed off-the-shelf solutions > >> fits in well with that strategy. I don't think it interferes with > >> the prosperity of Adobe solution providers or individual > >> developers, in fact having such solutions available may make more > >> possible to deliver on projects by not having to reinvent > >> functionality. It is what it is and there's no shortage of work, > >> so let's get on with it. > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:05 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the > >> Scene7.com posts Objectively > >> > >> There is no harm meant in my postings. > >> > >> I'm posting so we are all aware of what may be going on with > >> Scene7.com and it's implications to the FLEX and Flash CS3 > >> development community. > >> > >> I'm a freelance developer, not with a large corporation. > >> > >> The Whitepaper is available on www.Scene7.com and I highly > >> recommend posting any concerns and questions to the e-mail address > >> of the CEO in there. > >> > >> I also recommend attending the Webinar on the subject tomorrow (I > >> believe it's Thursday). > >> > >> -r > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Douglas Knudsen > > http://www.cubicleman.com > > this is my signature, like it? > > > > >
