Well, as long as we've got public defenders like yourself who will contact the Department of Justice, I feel safe. Let's do a class action lawsuit for buzzword and photoshop express while we're at it.
[sorry, sometimes I just can't help poking threads that I know I should just let die] Doug On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Robert Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Looks like my thoughts have been confirmed, by someone. > > Selling development tools and having a developer community is one of the > best kept secrets in the "Evangelist" style of Marketing. > > The first time a FLEX developer bids on a project and the client tells them > they are using Adobe Scene7, that's when the issues begin, and once they > begin, they will get worse. > > Prior to the acquisition of Macromedia, Adobe was a fairly even player with > Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF, primarily and imaging and document firm. > > Now, if Scene7.com does what I think it will be doing, and as you seem to > have confirmed below, it is going to take the momentum of the Flash Player, > begun by FutureWave Technologies (an honorable group), Macromedia (an > honorable group), and take that into the Developer Arena *Capitalizing on > the all the wide-spread knowledge that Flash and more recently FLEX > developers have provided for them.* > > "Shortage of work" is a relative term. *Ask any developer who has bid on > eLance.com and you'll understand the dynamics of bidding against others for > contracts.* > > If it turns out that Adobe begins to take the momentum achieved by it's > predecessors, namely it's acquisitions (which is has a right to), and it's > developers (which, if Scene7.com turns out to be as you describe and I > believe it will), then it is an ETHICAL ISSUE that will not go away, and I'm > giving fair-warning to any developer out there (and yes, I do have the > experience I've said I do to the gentleman out there that questioned that). > > I've been through thousands of pages of an unamed companies documents to > find out how they really work, and how they really look at Developers. > Adobe appears to be on that same road, and the more signs I see of it, the > more I will support other efforts. > > For those inclined to be offended easily, I'd ask not to shout against me > or anyone else giving an opinion, but For your own sakes, keep an eye on > ACTIONS not WORDS. You'd be surprised what larger corporations, > especially ones that we all know the name of [not Adobe] that gained their > momentum on the backs of the developer community, only to turn against them > with hidden DLL API's, hacks against licensed technology to make it perform > poorly under their platform, etc. (again this is not Adobe as I just said). > > However, when a Consumer Software company, which Adobe was, starts changing > Acrobat to have an SDK (that's their right) and but then goes beyond that to > provide a far better Plug-in, only made possible by the light weight plug-in > efforts of FutureWave, and for the past few years gaining momentum on the > development efforts and expensive purchases of development tools ; when > that line is blurred it will ultimately turn out bad for the developer. > > For the gentleman who said "shortage of jobs" again, that's not the issue > as I just explained in eLance.com / The issue is that people will Buy and > will Trust Adobe more than a developer or even a small development firm when > it comes to bidding online. Local efforts are different. > > If the below turns out to be true of FLEX vs. Scene7.com (a potential guise > of a Consumer mid-level Product Manager), then the FLEX, and more especially > the ActionScript component and development community as a while since > Macromedia's aquisition *will have at that point been betrayed** and yes, > at that point, or any sign of it (in the form of Actions, not Promises, do > not trust the promises of a large Corp. unless you've tried them true), if > there is that sign or signs, then yes it's time to get on with it and get > out and support more honorable people like Apple and Steve Jobs.* > > At this point I wish Macromedia never sold to Adobe.com / This isn't > looking pretty for the FLEX community. I'll certainly keep my Lexis-Nexis > handy and press contacts (and in several years, if it turns bad, the FTC and > DOJ). > > -r > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: > > > At this point, Adobe is not likely to abandon Scene7 due to developer > concerns. The way I see it, Adobe has been taking on consulting > engagements for some time, just like IBM does, and I think having an > offering of best of breed off-the-shelf solutions fits in well with > that strategy. I don't think it interferes with the prosperity of Adobe > solution providers or individual developers, in fact having such solutions > available may make more possible to deliver on projects by not having to > reinvent functionality. It is what it is and there's no shortage of work, > so let's get on with it. > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:flexcoders@ <flexcoders@> > yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Thompson > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:05 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the > Scene7.com posts Objectively > > There is no harm meant in my postings. > I'm posting so we are all *aware* of what may be going on with Scene7.com > and it's implications to the FLEX and Flash CS3 development community. > > I'm a freelance developer, not with a large corporation. > > The Whitepaper is available on www.Scene7.com and I highly recommend > posting any concerns and questions to the e-mail address of the CEO in > there. > > I also recommend attending the Webinar on the subject tomorrow (I believe > it's Thursday). > > -r > > > >
