At least it appears you are not chewing gum whilst, ummm, typing now. Someone care to tell Robert that Adobe has a consulting arm? Oddly enough its called Adobe Consulting and its not really a spring pup either.
......exit stage left! DK On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, as long as we've got public defenders like yourself who will > contact the Department of Justice, I feel safe. Let's do a class action > lawsuit for buzzword and photoshop express while we're at it. > > [sorry, sometimes I just can't help poking threads that I know I should > just let die] > > Doug > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Robert Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Looks like my thoughts have been confirmed, by someone. >> >> Selling development tools and having a developer community is one of the >> best kept secrets in the "Evangelist" style of Marketing. >> >> The first time a FLEX developer bids on a project and the client tells >> them they are using Adobe Scene7, that's when the issues begin, and once >> they begin, they will get worse. >> >> Prior to the acquisition of Macromedia, Adobe was a fairly even player >> with Photoshop, Illustrator and PDF, primarily and imaging and document >> firm. >> >> Now, if Scene7.com does what I think it will be doing, and as you seem to >> have confirmed below, it is going to take the momentum of the Flash Player, >> begun by FutureWave Technologies (an honorable group), Macromedia (an >> honorable group), and take that into the Developer Arena *Capitalizing on >> the all the wide-spread knowledge that Flash and more recently FLEX >> developers have provided for them.* >> >> "Shortage of work" is a relative term. *Ask any developer who has bid on >> eLance.com and you'll understand the dynamics of bidding against others for >> contracts.* >> >> If it turns out that Adobe begins to take the momentum achieved by it's >> predecessors, namely it's acquisitions (which is has a right to), and it's >> developers (which, if Scene7.com turns out to be as you describe and I >> believe it will), then it is an ETHICAL ISSUE that will not go away, and I'm >> giving fair-warning to any developer out there (and yes, I do have the >> experience I've said I do to the gentleman out there that questioned that). >> >> I've been through thousands of pages of an unamed companies documents to >> find out how they really work, and how they really look at Developers. >> Adobe appears to be on that same road, and the more signs I see of it, the >> more I will support other efforts. >> >> For those inclined to be offended easily, I'd ask not to shout against me >> or anyone else giving an opinion, but For your own sakes, keep an eye on >> ACTIONS not WORDS. You'd be surprised what larger corporations, >> especially ones that we all know the name of [not Adobe] that gained their >> momentum on the backs of the developer community, only to turn against them >> with hidden DLL API's, hacks against licensed technology to make it perform >> poorly under their platform, etc. (again this is not Adobe as I just said). >> >> However, when a Consumer Software company, which Adobe was, starts >> changing Acrobat to have an SDK (that's their right) and but then goes >> beyond that to provide a far better Plug-in, only made possible by the light >> weight plug-in efforts of FutureWave, and for the past few years gaining >> momentum on the development efforts and expensive purchases of >> development tools ; when that line is blurred it will ultimately turn out >> bad for the developer. >> >> For the gentleman who said "shortage of jobs" again, that's not the issue >> as I just explained in eLance.com / The issue is that people will Buy and >> will Trust Adobe more than a developer or even a small development firm when >> it comes to bidding online. Local efforts are different. >> >> If the below turns out to be true of FLEX vs. Scene7.com (a potential >> guise of a Consumer mid-level Product Manager), then the FLEX, and more >> especially the ActionScript component and development community as a while >> since Macromedia's aquisition *will have at that point been betrayed** and >> yes, at that point, or any sign of it (in the form of Actions, not Promises, >> do not trust the promises of a large Corp. unless you've tried them true), >> if there is that sign or signs, then yes it's time to get on with it and get >> out and support more honorable people like Apple and Steve Jobs.* >> >> At this point I wish Macromedia never sold to Adobe.com / This isn't >> looking pretty for the FLEX community. I'll certainly keep my Lexis-Nexis >> handy and press contacts (and in several years, if it turns bad, the FTC and >> DOJ). >> >> -r >> >> On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Battershall, Jeff wrote: >> >> >> At this point, Adobe is not likely to abandon Scene7 due to developer >> concerns. The way I see it, Adobe has been taking on consulting >> engagements for some time, just like IBM does, and I think having an >> offering of best of breed off-the-shelf solutions fits in well with >> that strategy. I don't think it interferes with the prosperity of Adobe >> solution providers or individual developers, in fact having such solutions >> available may make more possible to deliver on projects by not having to >> reinvent functionality. It is what it is and there's no shortage of work, >> so let's get on with it. >> >> Jeff >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ <flexcoders@> >> yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Thompson >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:05 AM >> *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* [flexcoders] Whitepaper and Webinar -- Please read the >> Scene7.com posts Objectively >> >> There is no harm meant in my postings. >> I'm posting so we are all *aware* of what may be going on with Scene7.com >> and it's implications to the FLEX and Flash CS3 development community. >> >> I'm a freelance developer, not with a large corporation. >> >> The Whitepaper is available on www.Scene7.com and I highly recommend >> posting any concerns and questions to the e-mail address of the CEO in >> there. >> >> I also recommend attending the Webinar on the subject tomorrow (I believe >> it's Thursday). >> >> -r >> >> >> >> > > -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it?
