I believe FP 10.1 is specifically designed to address the two biggest issues that affect the deployment of Flash on devices: Memory consumption and global error handling. So help is on the way and I would think that Adobe's actions in that regard are anything but lazy.
-----Original Message----- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcod...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of reflexactions Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:58 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Steve Jobs on Flash ....... Its not a question of whether it was possible at some point to construct 'something' on a device with a limited version of flash. Its a question of whether you can construct something like this for example http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/grouptabs/grouptabs.html in flash with a comparable footprint and performance (a common complaint is cpu utilization for some reason flash soaks up a huge amount of the cpu compared to javascript). I was testing some regex code today and the same code ran 4 times faster in IE, 20 times faster in Safari and Chrome. Its not like these issues are anything new they've been around for years but they don't get fixed which I guess is what SJ was really meaning when he called Adobe lazy. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton <g...@...> wrote: > > That's nuts. We built a flash app that ran on the pocket PC 5 years ago - > it's mad to think flash couldn't run on something as powerful as an iPhone. > > On the other hand, if I was looking at a new project, I'd certainly be asking > myself if something like the SVGWeb toolkit from google would allow me to > build something that would run native in many browsers (and in the iPhone and > iPad). > > I do think Adobe should have been looking prior to now for ways to leverage > SVG and javascript - all that platform needs is a good development > environment - that's something Adobe could be making money from right now. > > Anyway...it's all rather silly and the town hall thing is farcical. Steve > should have spent some of that pent up energy doing something truly great > with the iPad, instead of just scaling up an iPhone. > > Guy > > > On 08/02/2010, at 10:20 PM, reflexactions wrote: > > > Well after 10 years plus of AS development my feelings are that SJ isn't > > wrong. > > > > We have to fend of a constant stream of complaints from users that the app > > is a memory hog and slow. We tell them it will improve soon but it never > > does, we tell them flash is a million times better than the alternatives, > > but to be honest JavaScript has caught up and is ahead in many things. > > > > Our app starts up at around 130Mb and reaches 250Mb before it levels out, > > JavaScript apps are a fraction of that. > > > > I hope his rant finally has some impact at Adobe and they pull there finger > > out, becuase past experience has shown that years of > > complaining/requests/bug reports gets nowhere then finally a rant in the > > face of someone who matters gets them to shift, I have no idea why its like > > that but time and again thats what happens. > > > > For us it is probably too late as this week after SJ's rant we were told to > > start planning the move away flash, the argument has been lost so badly it > > wasn't even an argument this time. > > > > For us to stay with flash, the next release would have to perform a miracle > > in terms of memory and performace gains on Mac and PC. > > > > Personally I don't think they can do it, I think they would be better of > > making AS3 compile down to JavaScript. With maybe a lighterweight plugin > > for somethings like video or graphics. > > > > Whatever they really needed to realise all this a year ago with solutions > > to be released now, not just smelling the coffee today. > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tim Romano <tim.romano@> wrote: > > > > > > If the rumors about Bing are true, then this panning could also have > > > something to do with Silverlight. If I were at MSFT and my role was to > > > ensure that Silverlight succeeded in knocking Flash off (as Word knocked > > > off WordPerfect back in the day, e.g.) then I'd be looking for chinks in > > > Adobe's armor wherever they may be. > > > > > > On 2/1/2010 2:26 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: > > > > > > > > It's just commercial tactics. > > > > > > > > You'd never guess he has his own tied-in development system to support. > > > > Why wouldn't he knock flash? > > > > > > > > hworke wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100201/tc_pcworld/stevejobsdissesapplerivalsduringtownhallmeeting > > > > > > > > <http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100201/tc_pcworld/stevejobsdissesapplerivalsduringtownhallmeeting> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jobs has previously called out Adobe Flash, currently the > > > > > dominant animation platform on the Web, for being "too slow to be > > > > useful" and Flash Lite, Adobe's versio n of Flash for mobile devices, > > > > as not advanced enough for the iPhone. So it's no surprise to hear > > > > Jobs called out Flash during Apple's Town Hall, but his language this > > > > time sounds a little over the top. Jobs reportedly called Adobe a lazy > > > > company, and said that when a Mac crashes it's usually because of Flash. > > > > > > > > > > Whether or not that's true, it's clear that Jobs is not a fan of > > > > Adobe's multimedia platform. The iPhone is routinely criticized for > > > > its inability to render Flash-based Web pages, videos and games, and > > > > early criticisms about the iPad also decry the lack of Flash > > > > compatibility on Apple's latest device. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
