I was a hard core ASP.NET/pure JavaScript guy before I moved to Flex 3 years ago and I will NEVER go back. Those are some of the saddest programming days I can recall. Working with Flex/AS I feel like a real programmer again, I use objects and develop elegant solutions that really make me feel proud of myself and motivate me to make the next solution even better. Working in a team, it's a lot easier to truly and safely reuse and extend components, you would never dream of doing this in JS. For all its short comings Flex is just so much better for me and my users. Good luck writing a JS grid that reuses item renderers like Flex does, then debug that so it works cross platform because no JS framework will save you there.
The only camp that would steal me now is Silverlight, but that is not for a few more years when that platform truly matures and its rapidly growing 3rd party community will really give Flex a run for it's money, esp given that there are almost no 3rd party vendors for Flex (charting excluded) --- In [email protected], Clark Stevenson <a.scots...@...> wrote: > > I often get annoyed with performance. > > Is it backward compatibilty that causes the issues? > > Another thing which i was fairly irritated by was Alchemy in terms of how > Alchemy runs better in the Flash Runtime than native AS3..... I dont > understand this. I would expect both to have atleast identical performance > but not so. > > It would be cool to have some ultra optimied Flash Runtime 10.1+ which done > away with all the crappy AS1/2 support and paved the way for the future, > pixel bender, 3d, physics and all the rest of it. > > How this could happen... i dont know. > > > > On 8 February 2010 14:22, Battershall, Jeff > <jeff.battersh...@...>wrote: > > > > > > > I believe FP 10.1 is specifically designed to address the two biggest > > issues that affect the deployment of Flash on devices: Memory consumption > > and global error handling. So help is on the way and I would think that > > Adobe's actions in that regard are anything but lazy. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > [email protected] <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of > > reflexactions > > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:58 AM > > To: [email protected] <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Steve Jobs on Flash ....... > > > > Its not a question of whether it was possible at some point to construct > > 'something' on a device with a limited version of flash. > > > > Its a question of whether you can construct something like this for example > > http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/grouptabs/grouptabs.html > > in flash with a comparable footprint and performance (a common complaint is > > cpu utilization for some reason flash soaks up a huge amount of the cpu > > compared to javascript). > > > > I was testing some regex code today and the same code ran 4 times faster in > > IE, 20 times faster in Safari and Chrome. > > > > Its not like these issues are anything new they've been around for years > > but they don't get fixed which I guess is what SJ was really meaning when he > > called Adobe lazy. > > > > --- In [email protected] <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, Guy > > Morton <guy@> wrote: > > > > > > That's nuts. We built a flash app that ran on the pocket PC 5 years ago - > > it's mad to think flash couldn't run on something as powerful as an iPhone. > > > > > > On the other hand, if I was looking at a new project, I'd certainly be > > asking myself if something like the SVGWeb toolkit from google would allow > > me to build something that would run native in many browsers (and in the > > iPhone and iPad). > > > > > > I do think Adobe should have been looking prior to now for ways to > > leverage SVG and javascript - all that platform needs is a good development > > environment - that's something Adobe could be making money from right now. > > > > > > Anyway...it's all rather silly and the town hall thing is farcical. Steve > > should have spent some of that pent up energy doing something truly great > > with the iPad, instead of just scaling up an iPhone. > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > On 08/02/2010, at 10:20 PM, reflexactions wrote: > > > > > > > Well after 10 years plus of AS development my feelings are that SJ > > isn't wrong. > > > > > > > > We have to fend of a constant stream of complaints from users that the > > app is a memory hog and slow. We tell them it will improve soon but it never > > does, we tell them flash is a million times better than the alternatives, > > but to be honest JavaScript has caught up and is ahead in many things. > > > > > > > > Our app starts up at around 130Mb and reaches 250Mb before it levels > > out, JavaScript apps are a fraction of that. > > > > > > > > I hope his rant finally has some impact at Adobe and they pull there > > finger out, becuase past experience has shown that years of > > complaining/requests/bug reports gets nowhere then finally a rant in the > > face of someone who matters gets them to shift, I have no idea why its like > > that but time and again thats what happens. > > > > > > > > For us it is probably too late as this week after SJ's rant we were > > told to start planning the move away flash, the argument has been lost so > > badly it wasn't even an argument this time. > > > > > > > > For us to stay with flash, the next release would have to perform a > > miracle in terms of memory and performace gains on Mac and PC. > > > > > > > > Personally I don't think they can do it, I think they would be better > > of making AS3 compile down to JavaScript. With maybe a lighterweight plugin > > for somethings like video or graphics. > > > > > > > > Whatever they really needed to realise all this a year ago with > > solutions to be released now, not just smelling the coffee today. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, Tim > > Romano <tim.romano@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If the rumors about Bing are true, then this panning could also have > > > > > something to do with Silverlight. If I were at MSFT and my role was > > to > > > > > ensure that Silverlight succeeded in knocking Flash off (as Word > > knocked > > > > > off WordPerfect back in the day, e.g.) then I'd be looking for chinks > > in > > > > > Adobe's armor wherever they may be. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/1/2010 2:26 PM, Paul Andrews wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just commercial tactics. > > > > > > > > > > > > You'd never guess he has his own tied-in development system to > > support. > > > > > > Why wouldn't he knock flash? > > > > > > > > > > > > hworke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100201/tc_pcworld/stevejobsdissesapplerivalsduringtownhallmeeting > > > > > > < > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100201/tc_pcworld/stevejobsdissesapplerivalsduringtownhallmeeting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jobs has previously called out Adobe Flash, currently the > > > > > > > dominant animation platform on the Web, for being "too slow to be > > > > > > > > useful" and Flash Lite, Adobe's versio n of Flash for mobile > > devices, > > > > > > as not advanced enough for the iPhone. So it's no surprise to hear > > > > > > Jobs called out Flash during Apple's Town Hall, but his language > > this > > > > > > time sounds a little over the top. Jobs reportedly called Adobe a > > lazy > > > > > > company, and said that when a Mac crashes it's usually because of > > Flash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether or not that's true, it's clear that Jobs is not a fan of > > > > > > Adobe's multimedia platform. The iPhone is routinely criticized for > > > > > > > > its inability to render Flash-based Web pages, videos and games, > > and > > > > > > early criticisms about the iPad also decry the lack of Flash > > > > > > compatibility on Apple's latest device. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > Alternative FAQ location: > > https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 > > Search Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups > > Links > > > > > > >
