On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:54:10 +0200, Jorge wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:50:44 -0700
> Andy Ross wrote:
> 
> > Jorge Van Hemelryck wrote:
> > > We already have an external HUD code. Actually, it is quite large,
> > > [...] and more importantly it can't be distributed. At all.
> > 
> > That was my fear.  Opinions differ (widely!) on this point.  But in
> > general, adding a dynamic loading API to a free software project for
> > the sole purpose of interfacing to non-free software is not
> > considered to be within the spirit of the GPL.
> > 
> > > Therefore, I'm doing the best I can (that is, mixing my hobbies
> > > and my work, and working at home) in order to make flightgear
> > > benefit from this.
> > 
> > I don't want to start a flame war here, but it's not clear to me
> > that the FlightGear community would receive any benefit from having
> > an interface layer to software it cannot use.  The standard GNU/FSF
> > argument is that, by enabling and protecting proprietary development
> > (of HUD modules, in this case), it would in fact discourage free
> > software contributions.
> > 
> > You are right, of course, that you are under no obligation to
> > distribute your internally-developed modifications to FlightGear. 
> > The GPL only requires that *if* you distribute them, you do so under
> > the same license.  Accepting this interface layer as part of
> > FlightGear would have the effect of removing that restriction.  I do
> > not mean to seem ungrateful, but I'm not sure that's in the
> > community's best interest.
> 
> Two things :
> 
> - With all my good will, it still would not be possible to release the
> code. It's not just that it is proprietary. This is a minor issue,
> because actually it's even protected by confidentiality (it's a
> military simulator). I love this simulator, and I strongly support
> free software whenever I can, at work and at home. Some times I just
> can't do what I would like to do. Are you telling me that you wish to
> make it difficult for some people to use FlightGear ? That would be a
> pity. Actually, my own problem at work is now solved, I just wanted to
> submit my work (done outside working hours) to the community. I knew
> that some people would react like you did, that is why I developed the
> functionality on my own. Is it not possible to just include my work
> (with some improvements such as conditional compilation of the
> functionality) with the distribution of FlightGear ? It would make my
> task of making people accept FlightGear here easier...

..you wrote it, rip it apart and see if _some_ things _can_ be GPL'ed. 

..on selling the GPL to your military client, tell them about NSA's
security patch, nukes etc.  An educational challenge, especially when
they come from a Wintendo and government background.  I did it with 
my isp client, for bandwidth control on their wifi backbone, they use
my http://fmb.no/ipcop/setup-cbq-0.0.5.tar.bz2 .  ;-)

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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