Hi, Stefen > On Thursday 25 April 2013 14:45:05 henri orange wrote: > > So, your long answer to explain you don't like Rembrandt and you prefer > > to > > work on your own system, as just been underlined there by you. > > Your conclusion is "REMOVE REMBRANDT and keep up my own development" > > This clarify to everybody your approach. > > You want a flightgear without Rembrandt. > > Thorsten did not even remotly say anything like that. Your accusation is > completely uncalled for. If this is what you read in his last email, please > try to find someone who reads Thorsten's English the way he meant it and > have him explain to you. It would be a shame if a solution would fail due > to a language barrier.
Here is quoted Renk sentence himself: "I hope you have the fairness to ask FredB to remove Rembrandt then as well, because we need to ship the default rendering scheme such that users without good graphics cards..........." > > > You claim Rembrandt wants high level Hardware my 9600 GT 512 mb can > > process > > it. With An average of 20 fps ( disabling rembrandt and without ALS i > > never get more than 30 fps).> > On a Radeon HD 5670 I get 3 (in words: three) FPS with Rembrandt using the > free radeon drivers with lots of graphics problems and very ugly shadows. On > the other hand I get solid 15-20 FPS using ALS and pretty maxed out > quality. Does'nt ATI known to be the wrong choice to play FG ? > > Your ALS systems wants (when it is not crashing my system) a higher level > > capacity Hardware ( mostly GPU ) to work correctly, with every features. > > Maybe. On some systems it ALS might be a problem, on others it's Rembrandt. > > > You told us you had the most perfect equipment , you can't evaluate what > > is > > good or wrong with low level equipments. > > And you have only your own system for comparison. Just like I only got mine. > And yours and mine certainly don't match. So while maybe Thorsten cannot > give general adivse on FG's performance on low level equipment, neither can > you and neither can I. > Said before you are in difficulty because of ATI. At least i evaluate with an NVIDIA equipment. If i can do with a medium/low system, it can be done with a better (NVIDIA based) equipment. Don't try to trap me in an inconsistency logical mind :) These differences of performances versus one Factory system to an other ( NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL ....) is due to OpenGL more or less correctly implemented within these GPU. Nothing else. And, but, change of policy within FlighGear, OpenGL remains. > > I don't mean i don't like ALS, i mean i don't like your approach , instead > > of working on consistency with the existing valuable features which were > > implemented within FlighGear, ( and by including Rembrandt), you ARE > > WORKING on a other FlightGear. > > > > You are working on a flightgear VARIANT, your work is not OPTIONS to > > flightgear. > > I can start FG, go to the rendering _options_ and turn ALS on and off, at > runtime, as often as I like. How is this not an option? I know my english is wrong, however, i know the difference between VARIANT and OPTION. Right know there is options with shaders , clouds weathers etc. Variants with Rembrandt and ALS. > > > Others , better than me, tried before me to tell you, you (are) were on > > the wrong way. > > And Thorsten time and again explained on solid technical grounds why he > implemented it the way he did, why he had to and what the consequences of > other approaches would have been. I have to date not seen anyone even > acknowledge these reasons, much less provide real arguments against them. > > Why Thorsten has not given up on this yet is just beyond me. This is not a > discussion, it's just handwaving and accusations. I'm just very glad, that > he didn't give up. So instead, I can enjoy as much of the great flying > experience as I can get during the long winter months. > > And just to be clear: I'd love to have all the goodies combined. Very nice > shadows provided by the Rembrandt defered renderer combined with stunning > ALS visuals and correctness and the performance of the default renderer > with all effects turned off. But that's simply not possible, so instead I > enjoy what _is_ possible. > > Regards, > Stefan -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Try New Relic Now & We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, & servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
