On 8 July 2010 17:40, BGB <[email protected]> wrote:
> > however, morals, ... would seem to be degraded in industrialized nations > (note the widespread prevelance of promiscuity, gays, gangs and violence, > ...), so this may be a cost associated with industrialization (although > there is not any obvious reason why one would lead to the other). this may > also be a cost of urbanization though, I don't know. > > Whoa there, going off topic a bit I know, but I take offence to the suggestion that homosexuality is evidence of moral degradation. Indeed as an unashamed european lefty I would argue that discrimination against gays, minorities, etc is actually greater evidence of moral degradation and this is thankfully becoming less common in the industrialised world. And I would suggest you have a word with a Rwandan, Zimbabwean or Afghan (to name but a few) about whether gangs and violence are worst in the industrialised nations or non-industrialised. Or if you wish to argue against urbanisation I am pretty sure that my own country (england) had some pretty nasty violence before large scale urbanisation - civil wars, violence of landowners against those living on their land, persecution of catholics/protestants (depending on whether catholics or protestants were in charge at the time), burning folks at the stake for unsubstantiated accusations of witch craft, etc. A change in the prevailing moral code does not imply a degradation.
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