> So if I understand, you're OK with a web interface for creating / > managing a conversation that you don't want in your inbox in Hyperkitty, > but not happy with exactly the same workflow in Discourse? I find that > hard to resolve, can you clarify?
All I want is standard mailman-like list experience. This is a regression in behavior, a change from a list to forum. Let me explain down below. > I disagree with the word "hack" here, I think Discourse also works fine > over email. In all the testing I've done, the only thing I'm seeing is a > minor issue with format=flowed URLs (and tbh not all mail clients > support that either). You can set the mailing-list mode flag and it will > email you everything, you need never log into the UI again. I've had > that flag set for the last week, and can confirm that I was recieving > everything and could reply/start threads just fine. How is this > different to a mailing list? I understand how this is supposed to work technically, but will my gmail.com handle this correctly? This is not how e-mail lists are supposed to work. Will my MUA work correctly? Won't I see broken threads because folks will introduce new shiny feature into Discourse that does not play with plain emails anymore? I can't tell. Yeah you set up a testing instance, but there is almost no real traffic and I really don't know how it will look like with thousands of emails. My MUA handles millions of them just fine. Mailman will be here for another 20 years and more. It will work as long as e-mails are alive. And I do believe it's not going anywhere. > It has to be said, I do like Hyperkitty, and I agree it would be an > improvement over Google Groups. However, it doesn't address many of the > use cases in my original post (and followups): All of these are nice things, Greg. But these are irrelevant. What we are running is a mailing list here. It's a mailing list, we are open source developers and this is our way of communication. People do not need "powers". Powers to do what with? Lock topics? Create complicated sub-groups structures? Mute people or delete posts? This is what I hate about forums. Pins and banners? Totally hate these. Ever been to XdaDevelopers searching for Android ROM? God that's awful, this is how it all ends - complicated pinned neverending threads with things like "This post is reserved". And dozen of "recommended topics" which are always totally irrelevant. Let's just run a mailing list please. If you want to do your statistics or gamify this, take this offline. There are tools generating mail statistics. Fedora have concept of badges, it is all doable. > The summary seems to be that Discourse can do *everything* Hyperkitty > can, and from my testing, even the email support is first class. Both > are open, both can be hacked on if needed, both can be hosted or > self-hosted. But only Discourse brings more power and flexibility to the > table, both immediately, and for anything other needs we may have in > the future. You are comparing apple and orange here. A forum with a mailing list. I say let's stick with an orange, a mailing list. My response is not about "look here is an alternative HyperKitty". I'd be fine with any other mailing list (*) with nice user archive with easy entry for newcomers. It's about keeping our discussion where it belongs. (*) mailing list - a software that keeps emails in plain form not in some kind of a database > I'm *very* interested to hear others views though! Yeah, feels like I am the only one. Not a good feeling, really. -- Later, Lukas @lzap Zapletal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "foreman-dev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to foreman-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
