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Andre, I don't see your point. PATA and SATA are two separate transport layers, so describing them separately seems quite obvious to me. And how does this all relate to T10 and any claims of superiority? Thanks, MKE. -----Original Message----- From: Andre Hedrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:58 PM To: T13 (E-mail) Subject: RE: [t13] FW: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 This message is from the T13 list server. <rant> Why not just merge T13 and T10 back togather into the X3 group as the purpose of SAS is to promote the existance of a dead standard on the physical layer. The reality is SAS is only around to promote the extra bloated costs associated w/ SCSI and make claims T10 hardware is superior to T13's. Turning ATA in to the "ends justify the means" transport is not what is desired. Moving from a state-machine to a fuzzy-bus-state, only makes things a mess. Spliting volumes so that one part of the committee is clueless to what the other part is doing is wrong and needs to go back to T10, regardless. </rant> Ah, that feels better. Andre Hedrick LAD Storage Consulting Group On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Elliott, Robert (Server Storage) wrote: > This message is from the T13 list server. > > > Rather than keep the ATA-7 volume 1/2 split that exists today (adding > volume 3 for SATA?), would it make sense to split it into three > standards: > > 1. ATA architecture and command set (what Volume 1 has today) > 2. Parallel ATA transport protocol (what Volume 2 has today) > 3. Serial ATA transport protocol (which will be revised many times in > the future) > > ATA/ATAPI-7 would be like SCSI-3, the last global ATA/ATAPI-n number. > > Rather than work on ATA/ATAPI-8 next and upgrade the commands and > transport protocols at the same time (even if they don't all need > changes), ATA Commands - 2, 3, etc. work could progress independently > from Serial ATA - 2, 3, etc. work. Parallel ATA - 1 might be the last > version of that standard. > > > > As discussed before, I'd also urge you to consider these renamings as > Serial ATA is added: > device -> target > host -> initiator > Parallel ATA/volume 2 uses "Parallel ATA initiator/target" > Serial ATA/volume 3 uses "Serial ATA initiator/target" > Command set/volume 1 uses "ATA initiator/target" > > This is patterned after the terminology used by the SCSI standards > and would help ATAPI and SAS (which both use ATA and SCSI together). > > -- > Rob Elliott, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hewlett-Packard Industry Standard Server Storage Advanced Technology > https://ecardfile.com/id/RobElliott > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mclean, Pete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:23 PM > > To: T13 (E-mail) > > Subject: [t13] FW: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 > > > > > > This message is from the T13 list server. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ziller, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:54 PM > > To: 'Mclean, Pete'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 > > > > > > Dear Technical Committee T13, > > > > The Serial ATA Steering Committee is very interested in > > transferring the > > Serial ATA 1.0 specification over to the T13 Committee as > > soon as possible > > to be incorporated into the ATA/ATAPI Rev 7 release. The > > Steering Committee > > has already voted and unanimously approved this transfer. We > > can start > > having the Promoter companies approve and execute the > > copyright release > > forms as soon as we hear that the T13 Committee has voted to > > accept the > > Serial ATA 1.0 specification. If the T13 Committee votes to > > accept the spec > > in December, then we expect to be able to transfer the spec > > by January 2003. > > Also, we are in the process of incorporating the existing > > errata into the > > specification, and expect that will be completed within the > > same timeframe. > > Please let us know what your critical deadlines are, and if > > the above meets > > your needs. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jason Ziller > > Serial ATA Working Group chairman > > > > >
