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Andre, SATA is not SAS. SATA is a serial implementation of ATA. It is targeted at the same applications and costs as PATA. It is SW compatible with PATA. The suggestion to make it Vol 3 seems quite logical to me. Edwin J. Pole II [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ -----Original Message----- $ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andre $ Hedrick $ Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:58 PM $ To: T13 (E-mail) $ Subject: RE: [t13] FW: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 $ $ $ $ This message is from the T13 list server. $ $ $ $ <rant> $ Why not just merge T13 and T10 back togather into the X3 group as the $ purpose of SAS is to promote the existance of a dead standard on the $ physical layer. $ $ The reality is SAS is only around to promote the extra bloated costs $ associated w/ SCSI and make claims T10 hardware is superior to T13's. $ $ Turning ATA in to the "ends justify the means" transport is not what is $ desired. Moving from a state-machine to a fuzzy-bus-state, only makes $ things a mess. $ $ Spliting volumes so that one part of the committee is clueless to what the $ other part is doing is wrong and needs to go back to T10, regardless. $ </rant> $ $ Ah, that feels better. $ $ $ $ Andre Hedrick $ LAD Storage Consulting Group $ $ On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Elliott, Robert (Server Storage) wrote: $ $ > This message is from the T13 list server. $ > $ > $ > Rather than keep the ATA-7 volume 1/2 split that exists today (adding $ > volume 3 for SATA?), would it make sense to split it into three $ > standards: $ > $ > 1. ATA architecture and command set (what Volume 1 has today) $ > 2. Parallel ATA transport protocol (what Volume 2 has today) $ > 3. Serial ATA transport protocol (which will be revised many times in $ > the future) $ > $ > ATA/ATAPI-7 would be like SCSI-3, the last global ATA/ATAPI-n number. $ > $ > Rather than work on ATA/ATAPI-8 next and upgrade the commands and $ > transport protocols at the same time (even if they don't all need $ > changes), ATA Commands - 2, 3, etc. work could progress independently $ > from Serial ATA - 2, 3, etc. work. Parallel ATA - 1 might be the last $ > version of that standard. $ > $ > $ > $ > As discussed before, I'd also urge you to consider these renamings as $ > Serial ATA is added: $ > device -> target $ > host -> initiator $ > Parallel ATA/volume 2 uses "Parallel ATA initiator/target" $ > Serial ATA/volume 3 uses "Serial ATA initiator/target" $ > Command set/volume 1 uses "ATA initiator/target" $ > $ > This is patterned after the terminology used by the SCSI standards $ > and would help ATAPI and SAS (which both use ATA and SCSI together). $ > $ > -- $ > Rob Elliott, [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ > Hewlett-Packard Industry Standard Server Storage Advanced Technology $ > https://ecardfile.com/id/RobElliott $ > $ > $ > $ > $ > > -----Original Message----- $ > > From: Mclean, Pete [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] $ > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:23 PM $ > > To: T13 (E-mail) $ > > Subject: [t13] FW: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 $ > > $ > > $ > > This message is from the T13 list server. $ > > $ > > $ > > $ > > $ > > -----Original Message----- $ > > From: Ziller, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] $ > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:54 PM $ > > To: 'Mclean, Pete'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' $ > > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' $ > > Subject: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 $ > > $ > > $ > > Dear Technical Committee T13, $ > > $ > > The Serial ATA Steering Committee is very interested in $ > > transferring the $ > > Serial ATA 1.0 specification over to the T13 Committee as $ > > soon as possible $ > > to be incorporated into the ATA/ATAPI Rev 7 release. The $ > > Steering Committee $ > > has already voted and unanimously approved this transfer. We $ > > can start $ > > having the Promoter companies approve and execute the $ > > copyright release $ > > forms as soon as we hear that the T13 Committee has voted to $ > > accept the $ > > Serial ATA 1.0 specification. If the T13 Committee votes to $ > > accept the spec $ > > in December, then we expect to be able to transfer the spec $ > > by January 2003. $ > > Also, we are in the process of incorporating the existing $ > > errata into the $ > > specification, and expect that will be completed within the $ > > same timeframe. $ > > Please let us know what your critical deadlines are, and if $ > > the above meets $ > > your needs. $ > > $ > > Regards, $ > > $ > > Jason Ziller $ > > Serial ATA Working Group chairman $ > > $ > > $ > $
