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On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Edwin J. Pole II wrote: > This message is from the T13 list server. > > > See embedded comments, please. $ I did, and chortled. Why not use your other email address? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Your resume online gives you away as an Intel Man. > $ -----Original Message----- > $ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andre > $ Hedrick > $ Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:40 AM > $ To: Gary Laatsch > $ Cc: T13 (E-mail) > $ Subject: Re: [t13] FW: Transfer of SATA 1.0 spec to T13 > $ > $ This message is from the T13 list server. > $ > $ Not true, I have current projects to support native SATAPI. > $ The humor is lost on the folks who think SAS drives will ever be sold. > $ > $ There are companies now working on SATA-FC bridges. > $ > $ There is nobody working on SAS-FC bridges. > $ > $ T13 product base has always been view in the Enterprise Storage as > $ laughable. Yet it is the drive companies themselves who have created the > $ sitiuation by responding to customer needs. > $ > $ Better and more cost effective storage. > > Now you've got it. SATA = better and more cost effective storage Gee, the obvious is missed by the people pushing SAS here on T13. IIRC, SAS == The means to maintain the cost and quality differential in storage. SAS is a SATA drive which takes a hacked tunnel transport for SCSI. Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 1562-D T10 Approval 03 Serial Attached SCSI - 2 (SAS-2) 1601-D Development Serial Attached SCSI leverages established software and infrastructure while providing storage capability the marketplace is demanding. The companies anticipate that SATA technology will evolve as a price-performance choice in market segments where cost is a key selection criterion in desktops, servers and storage solutions. Serial Attached SCSI will evolve as the choice for market segments requiring robust feature sets for mainstream server storage solutions. You should study a little harder or at least show more cards in the poker match. > $ > $ The evolution of SATA is invisioned to be the poor man's fibre channel. > $ To bad the trend setters did not count on the self implosion of SCSI as a > $ physical transport. > > Wrong. It is envisioned to be nothing more than the extension of ATA/ATAPI > to a faster, cheaper, more reliable interface. Try again, maybe you missed th evolution of IDF and other people who have so called concentrators or multiplex domains. Read what is a SAS drive and you will see the reality. > $ > $ So in keeping with the failed I2O messaging model for a transport, > $ borrowing the clever properties of T11 on the fibre transport, and forcing > $ down the pipes a SCSI wrapper to allow all the deadbeat companies who do > $ storage management to keep alive is gross. > > Read the spec. It is not fibre. It is not SCSI. It is ATA/ATAPI on a serial > interface. Nice, now go read the rest of the document on T10, called SAS. > $ > $ What is being forced down the committee is to transform a relatively > $ simple and easily managed protocol, into an monster mess. > > ATA/ATAPI is simple and easily managed? How did you earn your consulting > fees? :-) See when you have/had absolute control (at one time) the hotest-fastest growing OS, and very few are capable of seamlessly weaving togather all the various (S)ATA HBA's regardless of transport mode or architecture. If you want good-quality support in a timely fashion. It is not rocket science, but close the 5 point lag. orbital model aka the lunar bus developed by one of my former professors in celestrial mechanics. > $ > $ Are dues now going to jump to $10,000 next year as a means to restrict > $ input from consultants? > > Strawman. If dues jump it won't be SATA that causes it. No dues were > required to join the SATA user's group. Helpful input is and was always > welcome. Read your agreement again, and this has nothing to do with T13. IIRC T13 has a $10,000 membership to NCITS for voting status. Well I just got my invoice and Monica did not boost the dues, this year! I am sort of tired of your bating for an argument when you obviously know the facts, yet proceed to play devils advocate. The true point trying to be made from the HP entry point was if you want SAS go visit T10. If you want SATA, you are in the right place. Cheers, Andre Hedrick LAD Storage Consulting Group By now I have totally killed any chance of working with HP in Enterprise iSCSI running SATA/PATA. So I guess to move forward and continue shipping Enterprise SAN @ $0.01/MB. Will just have to knock out SAS after FC falls on the heals of SCSI.
