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Larry, I agree totally that a split in the two groups would be the worst possible senerio. Also being in the SWG2 (technically present, void of input), I find the statement made offensive to the spirit and intent of T13 and the scope of SWGII. Language stated "not free" is totally different from "not wise". Knut has always been as forward has permitted. The form leaves visions of the classic "Rankin and Bass, 'Jack Frost'". <humor> Knut leading a battle kry with the 'kay'nights (knights). </humor> I am positive the SWGII people want to make public the full spec, it would be nice to have T13 create a formal working body (assigning a sub-committee) to formally bring SWGII into T13 directly for public input. Obviously this is not practical, but would remove the appearance of any vail (sp), where one does not exist. Cheers, Andre Hedrick LAD Storage Consulting Group PS between the flame bait announce and Hatfield/McCoy feud, thought a little tongue out of cheek was proper here. On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Larry Barras wrote: > This message is from the T13 list server. > > > Andre, > > There's no brandy and cigars or backrooms. Just coffee, soda and > juice in the mornings. Even in Las Vegas. If there are any doubts, I > invite one and all to enjoy the subtle comforts of a few 8-hour days > in stacking chairs at a folding conference table. :) > > T13 is autonomous. SWG is autonomous. The two groups have an amiable > relationship on the SATA materials, but there are no puppet strings. > T13 can edit away all it wants to on any standard it publishes. ATA-7 > vol 3 has been edited quite a bit. > > James Hatfields comments below do not appear to accurately reflect > the relationship between SWG and T13. T13 is under no restraint that > I am aware of, legal or otherwise with regard to editing, altering or > changing the content of the material that SWG forwarded to T13. To > that end, it is my belief that James' statement is incorrect. > > T13 could go on a charging rampage and utterly hose the document if > it wanted to. But that would serve absolutely no purpose. It is in > everyone's best interest to cooperate. > > Knut Grimsrud responded to me on an off-list email, I won't quote it > without his permission but I invite him to forward it to the T13 > reflector. I think it more accurately reflects the situation. > > > > At 5:13 AM -0800 11/4/03, Andre Hedrick wrote: > >This message is from the T13 list server. > > > > > > > >On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> This message is from the T13 list server. > >> > >> > >> > >> There is no 'serial atapi' proposal. I merely recorded the fact that > >> questions about > >> ATAPI via the Serial ATA interface are starting to surface more frequently > >> on the > >> reflector and elsewhere. > >> > >> T13 has a copyright release from the SATA working group, but is not 'free' > >> to change > >> technical content, but is allowed to consider clarifications. > > > >Regardless that my membership is invalid, when did the cigars and brandy > >start up in the back room? If T13 is nothing but a puppet front for the > >SGW, then T13 has violated its charter and terms. If there is a motion to > >change how SATA "shall" and I do mean "SHALL", and it is approved in a > >roll call vote then SWG has to live with it. This is stinks of backroom > >politics, and clearing the air is needed now. > > > >Gene must be doing freaking cartwheels and double back flips, right now. > > > >Where is Monica Vago when she is needed most to clean house. > > > > > >> The T13 liason to the SATA working group (Dan Colgrove) does ask the SATA > >> working > >> group for approval on some items, and the T13 members who are also SATA > >> working group > >> members have feedback in both groups. > >> > >> Thank You !!! > > > >I think you meant to replace the first and last "!" with periods. > >Maybe switching to all caps would simulate a memorex commerial. > > > >Can you reply with at least 4 or more "!", or can you see this is flame > >bait because the reflector should not represent how meetings operate? > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Andre "The McCoy" Hedrick > > > >kk > > > -- > > --------------------- > I make stuff go. > --------------------- > > Larry Barras > Apple Computer Inc. > 1 Infinite Loop > MS: 306-2TC > Cupertino, CA 95014 > (408) 974-3220 >
