On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 06:01:59PM -0000, Bibek Paudel wrote: > > Hi nepbabu, > I am sorry, but I have serious disagreements with what you have to > say. > > On Jun 17, 10:07 pm, "nepbabu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi fossians, > > > > It is very very very annoying to find not even ONE single fossians from > > outside KTM valley contribute to foss nepal discussion.
> I am from outside Kathmandu valley. I think I am doing all I can to > contribute in the discussion. Let me rephrase. :) I meant fossians outside Kathmandu but within Nepal. > > What I find more annoying is everything in Nepal being Kathmandu > centric. Most people outside Kathmandu who are fascinated by free > software and its powers, in all probability haven't yet heard a word > about FOSS-Nepal or anything of that sorts. Like everything else, the > free software movement in Nepal hasn't moved beyond the valley of > Kathmandu. I dont see any reasons for FKK to be organised only in > schools/colleges in Kathmandu. Maybe it is relatively easy and hassle > free, but if this is because of working policy, FOSS-Nepal should have > been named FOSS-Kathmandu. No offence intended. > I have seen many students and hobbyists wanting to attend CAN Infotech > but being unable because of several reasons. A report on the usage of > FOSS includes schools only inside Kathmandu. I understand the > limitations facing them, and with due appreciation of their work, I > would like to add that any such works hardly represent the reality in > the context of the whole country. Exactly what I wanted to say but at 3.00 am my head doesn't work. :) Yes, the FOSS policy/constitution should be worked in such a way as to include the members from outside Kathmandu (again within Nepal though). This is what I exactly meant as well. I am not saying that Foss doesn't do it. What I am saying that the fossians in this list (at least what I am aware of, I do not know what's happening behind this list) doesn't make it well enough that members from outside Kathmandu are encouraged to participate. About CAN Infotech I do not think I have any comment as it's nature is well understood amongst fossian circle. Albeit, having good gizmos to show to people is good, but imho it's a mad mad selling point for hardware industry in Nepal which has nothing to do with the word "infotech" at all! For e.g., where are discussion groups ? where's are inspiring speeches by technologist? where are papers discussed ? and lastly what about some hard fact reports on Nepali IT scene? Actually you can find nothing there! Only gizmos, books and softwares. > The whole administration and political planning in Nepal has been > Kathmandu-centric since as long as I can remember. I have read and > heard, it has been that way for all of Nepal's history. If free > software movement in Nepal chooses to go that way, history will repeat > again. Instead of being annoyed, it would be worthwhile to know that > internet connectivity and speed outside Kathmandu valley is not at > par. Downloading whole distributions used to be pure fantasy during my > school days. I dont think its much different these days too. While > talks of Freedom Toaster was doing rounds in this mailing list, I felt > like suggesting to reach outside the valley. But then, the real > problem is, "outside Kathmandu valley" doesnt refer to one place. > "Inside" does. > It is a huge responsibility, but if free software movement in Nepal is > to succeed, it has to reach out of Kathmandu first. Celebration of > success inside Kathmandu is myopic and fatal. Yes, I think I agree too that lots of stuff (including technology) has been kathmandu-centric. This is something exactly I wanted to point out as well. As you pointed out, it's a huge responsibility of free software movement BUT free software movement alone can't achieve those goals. It's people, government, education, media and lots of other factors that play in vital role too. BUT again 'tis very true that foss celebration within Kathmandu doesn't mean that it's a success for the whole of free software in Nepal. The way to start imho is to have I believe, a foss group in their own home city/village that they coordinate themselves given some computing power in the first place in some villages that don't have money to buy them. > It has to be admitted though, interested and active folks from outside > kathmandu, untimately have to come to Kathmandu either for studies or > work. I believe there are already such people in this list and outside > who are active in FOSS movement and awareness. I am looking forward to > their replies to this thread. Noted. Yes, if such fossians do exist in this list, please spread a word about foss movement in your city/village so that foss can work towards it in future and they can become a member of it. The important thing to note is that a foss member should enjoy being a fossian. This last point is very important imho. If it's not an enjoyment, then it just becomes another order from someone, another fad! If a fossian does not enjoy being a fossian, say in this list what it is that's making it not so enjoyable in this list. Everyone has brains I believe so that fossians will try to make it work. ;) > > The [email protected] mailing list is there to be discussed. > > It is not remote priviledged group of people who discuss in this mailing > > list. Please contribute what you think about certain ideas and the > > vision of Foss nepal will work towards it. > > If you think certain issues regarding foss nepal needs addressing, > > please tell *here* in the mailing list. It is time that you all think > > about this because this will better *shape* and *position* foss nepal to > > suit your and your city/village's foss needs. ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | ---------------------------------------- OK, what I wanted to tell here simply was that, if fossians outside KTM are aware of foss plus if they are welcomed into foss to have their voice, they might be well positioned to shape and position foss nepal too (if the message don't turn up right, blame Google groups. hehehehe.. :) On a positive note, I believe some fossians are working on LTSP projects as I have seen quite a few of them discussed here which I believe will bring some kind of computing in some city/village along with some foss imbrued value which *HOPEFULLY* will make them aware of FOSS. But let's not count on that HOPEFULLY bit and wait for HOPEFULLY to become NOPEFULLY. :) <encoded in my brain> I know it's easy to criticize but hard to achieve non-criticism. I am trying to convey words about "constructive" criticism and not intended to criticize anyone in particular. :) </encoded in my brain> Just my .02 Thanks Bibek for taking time to write such a long mail. :) Cheers --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ FOSS Nepal mailing list [email protected] http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
