The timing of the neverending conversation coincided nicely with me getting the new MFJ - David Curtis mentions how Maya Deren saw her films as "chamber cinema":
"Maya Deren...described her own films as 'chamber cinema' rather than experimental or avant-garde film, making a crucial point about scale and appropriate context. Implicitly, she saw artists' film as small in scale, which like chamber music should ideally be performed to an attentive audience in an intimate space. Chamber films were 'poetic, lyric-form, abstract, eloquent,' and required small groups of 'virtuoso performers, with every note heard individually,' not lost within a larger orchestration." (via David Curtis in Fall 13 MFJ, Deren quotes from a lecture she gave at Smith College) Obviously her description applies very specifically to her own films, but as a matter of bringing to mind scale / intimacy, I really like the term. Obviously it's far too specific in it's historical referent while being far too open in it's cinematic one to legitimately be used in general, but a nice way to think when making / putting on shows on a personal level. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Cari Machet <carimac...@gmail.com> wrote: > agreed the threshold is ever forward > > thinking somehow that the time u exist in has a holding on anything like > expansion is just what in the psyche ? > > Cari Machet > NYC 646-436-7795 > carimac...@gmail.com > AIM carismachet > Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434 > Syria +963-099 277 3243 > Amman +962 077 636 9407 > Berlin +49 152 11779219 > Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the > addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this > information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without > permission is strictly prohibited. > > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM, o...@thenowcorporation.com < > o...@thenowcorporation.com> wrote: > >> interesting. avant garde,experimental,personal. I think ag filmmaking is >> personal filmmaking. films made for viewing by art, poetry and film lovers >> and/or people who are inquisitive and open to non traditional forms and/or >> subjects. films made by artists for the many reasons anyone makes art. >> that will endure. >> Owen >> >> >> > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Fred Camper <f...@fredcamper.com> wrote: >> > >> > Quoting Stashu Kybartas <skyb...@me.com>: >> > >> >> There is no avant-garde now. The internet insures that NOTHING will >> stay avant - EVER. >> > >> > I tried to make this point pre-Internet, in my 1986 article "The End of >> Avant-Garde Film" in the 20th anniversary issue of "Millennium Film >> Journal." >> > By 1986, in my opinion, common usage was that an "experimental" or >> "avant-garde" film was a film with certain features, such as scratching or >> painting on film, a limited or abstracted narrative, non-linear editing, >> very small cast and crew, and others -- some of these if not all of them. >> Scratching on film was by then no longer "avant-garde," in the sense of new >> or advanced, and the terms "experimental" and "avant-garde" has come to >> denote a style of filmmaking. This is neither good nor bad, but one >> important reason to understand it is that artists must realize that >> techniques already used don't justify themselves; everything depends on the >> total work. >> > >> > Fred Camper >> > Chicago >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FrameWorks mailing list >> > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- ekrem serdar austin, tx
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