Given the state of the world today, there are many compelling reasons for removing the idea of an avant-garde from art history and returning it to the political arena where it began. That’s been one of my goals as a theorist for a long time. Here’s a conversation about it 23 years ago. http://www.neme.org/1627/metadesigning-for-the-future Remember this is 1990, five years before the World Wide Web. One implication of this view, not stated here, is that any kind of art, no matter how retrograde, can participate in an avant-garde project because the site of avant-gardness is no longer art, it’s the “new alliance” as such. That doesn’t negate any of the reasons given in this thread for accepting or rejecting the notion of avant-garde art, it just frames them in a larger context, more appropriate to the paleocybernetic era in which we live.
From: Cari Machet Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 6:56 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] seminal writing on American a/g film after 76 agreed the threshold is ever forward thinking somehow that the time u exist in has a holding on anything like expansion is just what in the psyche ? Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 [email protected] AIM carismachet Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434 Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: interesting. avant garde,experimental,personal. I think ag filmmaking is personal filmmaking. films made for viewing by art, poetry and film lovers and/or people who are inquisitive and open to non traditional forms and/or subjects. films made by artists for the many reasons anyone makes art. that will endure. Owen > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: > > Quoting Stashu Kybartas <[email protected]>: > >> There is no avant-garde now. The internet insures that NOTHING will stay avant - EVER. > > I tried to make this point pre-Internet, in my 1986 article "The End of Avant-Garde Film" in the 20th anniversary issue of "Millennium Film Journal." > By 1986, in my opinion, common usage was that an "experimental" or "avant-garde" film was a film with certain features, such as scratching or painting on film, a limited or abstracted narrative, non-linear editing, very small cast and crew, and others -- some of these if not all of them. Scratching on film was by then no longer "avant-garde," in the sense of new or advanced, and the terms "experimental" and "avant-garde" has come to denote a style of filmmaking. This is neither good nor bad, but one important reason to understand it is that artists must realize that techniques already used don't justify themselves; everything depends on the total work. > > Fred Camper > Chicago > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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