Then all we have to do is get rid of the concept of the avant-garde from the political arena, too, and we might really begin to get somewhere!:)
Peter 'Paleoanarchist' Snowdon Envoyé de mon iPad Le 8 nov. 2013 à 16:02, "Gene Youngblood" <[email protected]> a écrit : > Given the state of the world today, there are many compelling reasons for > removing the idea of an avant-garde from art history and returning it to the > political arena where it began. That’s been one of my goals as a theorist for > a long time. Here’s a conversation about it 23 years ago. > http://www.neme.org/1627/metadesigning-for-the-future Remember this is 1990, > five years before the World Wide Web. One implication of this view, not > stated here, is that any kind of art, no matter how retrograde, can > participate in an avant-garde project because the site of avant-gardness is > no longer art, it’s the “new alliance” as such. That doesn’t negate any of > the reasons given in this thread for accepting or rejecting the notion of > avant-garde art, it just frames them in a larger context, more appropriate to > the paleocybernetic era in which we live. > > From: Cari Machet > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 6:56 AM > To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] seminal writing on American a/g film after 76 > > agreed the threshold is ever forward > > thinking somehow that the time u exist in has a holding on anything like > expansion is just what in the psyche ? > > Cari Machet > NYC 646-436-7795 > [email protected] > AIM carismachet > Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434 > Syria +963-099 277 3243 > Amman +962 077 636 9407 > Berlin +49 152 11779219 > Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the > addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, > dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is > strictly prohibited. > > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: >> interesting. avant garde,experimental,personal. I think ag filmmaking is >> personal filmmaking. films made for viewing by art, poetry and film lovers >> and/or people who are inquisitive and open to non traditional forms and/or >> subjects. films made by artists for the many reasons anyone makes art. >> that will endure. >> Owen >> >> >> > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Quoting Stashu Kybartas <[email protected]>: >> > >> >> There is no avant-garde now. The internet insures that NOTHING will stay >> >> avant - EVER. >> > >> > I tried to make this point pre-Internet, in my 1986 article "The End of >> > Avant-Garde Film" in the 20th anniversary issue of "Millennium Film >> > Journal." >> > By 1986, in my opinion, common usage was that an "experimental" or >> > "avant-garde" film was a film with certain features, such as scratching or >> > painting on film, a limited or abstracted narrative, non-linear editing, >> > very small cast and crew, and others -- some of these if not all of them. >> > Scratching on film was by then no longer "avant-garde," in the sense of >> > new or advanced, and the terms "experimental" and "avant-garde" has come >> > to denote a style of filmmaking. This is neither good nor bad, but one >> > important reason to understand it is that artists must realize that >> > techniques already used don't justify themselves; everything depends on >> > the total work. >> > >> > Fred Camper >> > Chicago >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FrameWorks mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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