agreed the threshold is ever forward

thinking somehow that the time u exist in has a holding on anything like
expansion is just what in the psyche ?

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On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM, [email protected] <
[email protected]> wrote:

> interesting. avant garde,experimental,personal. I think ag filmmaking is
> personal filmmaking. films made for viewing by art, poetry and film lovers
> and/or people who are inquisitive and open to non traditional forms and/or
> subjects. films made by artists for the many reasons anyone makes art.
> that will endure.
> Owen
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Quoting Stashu Kybartas <[email protected]>:
> >
> >> There is no avant-garde now.  The internet insures that NOTHING will
> stay avant - EVER.
> >
> > I tried to make this point pre-Internet, in my 1986 article "The End of
> Avant-Garde Film" in the 20th anniversary issue of "Millennium Film
> Journal."
> > By 1986, in my opinion, common usage was that an "experimental" or
> "avant-garde" film was a film with certain features, such as scratching or
> painting on film, a limited or abstracted narrative, non-linear editing,
> very small cast and crew, and others -- some of these if not all of them.
> Scratching on film was by then no longer "avant-garde," in the sense of new
> or advanced, and the terms "experimental" and "avant-garde" has come to
> denote a style of filmmaking. This is neither good nor bad, but one
> important reason to understand it is that artists must realize that
> techniques already used don't justify themselves; everything depends on the
> total work.
> >
> > Fred Camper
> > Chicago
> >
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