When I was a student in the mid 1970s, Ferrania used to make a good colour reversal film and five bath processing kit. This was in the days, now mostly long gone, when people did things; knitting, sewing, repairing, developing etc. The colour was beautiful: soft and subtle, but hard to control in processing. Amazing they're still around,
Nicky. -----Original Message----- From: 40 Frames <[email protected]> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 19:22 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Film Stocks to be Discontinued, Announced in December On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Jean-Louis Seguin <[email protected]> wrote: Cheap shot? Maybe. I'm just so disappointed in Kodak, personally. I meet filmmakers all the time and it's surprising how many completely ignore the fact that there are other manufacturers in the world apart from Kodak that produce motion picture film stock. Some are truly amazed when I mention this to them. True, when it comes to color negative stocks, Kodak are the only source at the moment. For everything else, there are options out there, luckily. It is a little complicated with Kodak's recent discontinuation of stocks. I like ORWO, however ORWO stocks -- both UN54 and N74 -- do not run through one of my cameras without needing to make adjustments for running color vs. BW. I've had issues with ORWO in another camera as well. I've had few issues like this with Kodak BW stocks. Also, with Kodak, being in education, I get a discount which makes it lower in cost than ORWO. I've been shooting a project that uses Double-X (7222), Tri-X (7266) processed as negative and ORWO's UN54 and N74. When all of these stocks are printed to 7203 the differences are pretty slight. I don't know what labs are printing to ORWO's BW print stocks... though I would be curious to know, since 7203 and 3302 may be put on the chopping block soon. Ferrania (http://www.filmferrania.it/) might be starting production of color film stocks, but I have yet to see anything...and who knows when such a stock will become available in North America. I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily, I just think that ORWO and Ferrania will have to prove they have the same level of QC as Kodak does (and Fuji did). Not that Kodak is/was flawless, but it's amazing how close to perfect they can get in manufacturing their stocks. Alain On 2014-08-30, at 12:21 PM, Edward Choi wrote: I'm a little confused about the discontinuation of 7203 and 7207 in 100' rolls. Does it really save them that much at the margins when they're continuing to manufacture the stock itself and offer it in larger quantities? If someone who knows more about the way their manufacturing chain is set up could explain this, and perhaps disabuse me of my naivety, I would be most grateful! edo On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Pablo Marin <[email protected]> wrote: Although I agree with many of your points, Jean-Louis, I think that implying that Kodak doesn't have a "firm commitment to analog filmmaking" is kind of a cheap shot... when the issue is more complicated than that. Would hate to be mistaken for a capitalist/industry supporter here but the fact is I´m kind of afraid of what some of these "committed" firms will start charging for film once the big old dinosaurs are gone... not to mention I don't see a discount price for students being offered in most of these devoted manufacturers... All best, Pablo. On Saturday, August 30, 2014 12:52 PM, Jean-Louis Seguin <[email protected]> wrote: I wouldn't be too dismayed at the disappearance of Tri-X. Both ADOX and ORWO produce black and white reversal that is at least equal in quality to Tri-X. The new ADOX CHS-II in Super8 has received rave reviews since it's introduction and most users seem to find it superior to Tri-X. I would prefer to support companies that have a firm commitment to analog filmmaking rather then those that can't wait to pull the plug on everything. Jean-Louis _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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