Karen, I also use the D-Link card (PCMCIA) in my home and it is an
outstanding card for DOS/FreeDOS, I get the desire to maintain a pure DOS
machine (I have one desktop and two laptops that are DOS only). Have you
tried DIllodos (the lasted build not the one in the FreeDOS repo)? Using
that, I can access the HTML GMAIL, I can verrry slowly browse ebay (but
cannot buy or watch an item), I can search for DOS stuff and download it to
my FreeDOS download folder. FreeDOS's internet limitations are not
necessarily on the FreeDOS end but rather on the end of the evolution of
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
> <lifts hand from back of class>
> But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos.
> I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating
> systems on my main desktop to get the job done.
> I have a d-link Ethernet card. The card is very good with a ton of
> drivers, including the one I use for dos.
> I have a package called ssh2021b. this package contains ssh telnet and
> sftp programs as well as telnet ones for running in dos.
> I use the program for machines higher than 386 to ssh TELNET here
> shellworld, into the shell I have with the host for my office dreamhost.
> Granted, I am not using a browser directly on my computer, but this
> of mouse because I cannot. it is because no one has done a dos build of
> in a grand while. Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight
> java and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos.
> Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in
> took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking.
> I may hunt the wifi card below, if it is suitable for a laptop.
> Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge?
> On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> > About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article?
> > http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS
> > It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the
> > DOS networking world.
> > Mateusz
> > On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote:
> >> I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04,
> >> Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq
> >> DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine
> >> in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is
> >> not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of kernel
> >> incompatibility.
> >> As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim
> >> (Orinoco Gold 802.11b PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to
> >> Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless
> >> devices.
> >> I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired
> >> home network setup for FreeDOS.
> >> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:rugx...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem <guilevi2...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS,
> >> Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very
> >> tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important.
> >> I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files
> >> first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery
> >> discs (and product key) nearby.
> >> What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it
> >> atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you
> >> can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux
> >> or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's
> >> complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD.
> >> Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as
> >> originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives
> >> like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier
> >> use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect
> >> even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit
> >> greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw
> >> booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed.
> >> The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS
> >> to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various
> >> to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're
> >> using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via
> >> PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD).
> >> > and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right
> now are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way
> >> At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB
> >> drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without
> >> rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but
> >> lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately.
> >> > and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that
> require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of
> >> > that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard
> (in my case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the
> >> > soundblaster to the realtek the right way?
> >> Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual
> >> being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a
> >> of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But
> >> you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?)
> >> Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but
> >> not all) games.
> >> > I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried
> developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations.
> >> In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't
> >> enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did
> >> port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely
> >> based upon DOSBox! :-)
> >> Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that
> >> (and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to
> >> hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but nothing
> >> universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but
> >> sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although
> >> that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than
> >> nothing!
> >> > Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's
> what this one has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not so
> >> I run it just fine on my 6 GB Lenovo desktop. Of course, due to
> >> holes, I "only" get (roughly) 2.9 GB free, but even that is "too
> >> for some rare software (chokes, dies). But most well-behaved apps
> >> (e.g. DJGPP) either work by default or can be massaged.
> >> Not sure how well it will work if you're running UEFI (CSM?).
> >> > I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way
> of using Ethernet because of how this house is set up.
> >> > I can either use Wifi or use my phone with USB tethering, which is
> what I normally do because that PC's network card doesn't work all the way.
> >> This alone is probably the biggest advantage of emulators (e.g. VBox
> >> or QEMU, both of which I've used lately): easy to setup networking.
> >> You know by default that it will work, unlike native, where you
> >> be sure of anything!
> >> Granted, you mentioned Windows, but it's exactly Windows that
> >> support DOS well anymore (if at all). So while it seems crazy to
> use a
> >> software-only x86 emulator atop Windows on x86, sometimes it really
> >> better than nothing.
> >> In short: it depends on what you're trying to do, and whether you
> >> debug your own problems.
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