This is a weird turn of phrase, to "export externalities". Where are
we exporting them from if they are already, well, external? Hmph.
Of course we import them as well, for example the flight you take today
is safer and cheaper because the complex of airplane manufacturers,
airports and regulators conspired to ever more efficiently metabolize
the errors that made some poor chump's airplane fall out of the sky 40
years ago. I think this is part of the civilization contract. At some
point someone in the future you don't even know will have a better time
of it because the civilization learned from something that made your own
life less than stellar.
There seem to be some folks that believe this can only happen, or
happens primarily through markets and competition. I confess that the
notion that there is at any given instant a "true cost" or a "true
price" for a good or service is seeming to me increasingly quaint.
On 3/24/11 9:38 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
Yes, and no.
Nick, you wrote, " if we are to base our economy on competition, then
the practice of exporting externalities ... has to stop " The fact is
that if we base our economy on competition, there is every incentive
to export externalities. We can, of course, make rules and
regulations that attempt to limit those exports. And those who benefit
by such exports will look for other ways to export externalities. But
I'm sure you and everyone else on this list already know that.
/-- Russ /
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Nicholas Thompson
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Vlad,
Not sure why Peggy’s comment deserved such a trolllish response.
I will join in her view that if we are to base our economy on
competition, then the practice of exporting externalities to the
neighborhoods and nations of the powerless has to stop. We have
to work to find the true cost of products and that needs to be
reflected in the price. Then and only then does competition rise
above exploitation. I realize that this is not necessarily easy,
but if one believes in the market place, it has to be done.
By the way, what more do you need to know to demonstrate that
cigarette smoking has associated health care costs?
Nick Thompson,
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Vladimyr
Burachynsky
*Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:21 PM
*To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22
It appears that your conclusion was made independent of the facts.
Perhaps your conclusion serves some unidentified agenda, could you
explain who WE is and how the PRICE TAG is adjusted to effect a
specific end?
I ecall how the price of cigarettes in Canada was increased to
reflect the supposed increased health care costs
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *peggy miller
*Sent:* March-24-11 6:12 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22
Thanks for input from a number of you on the
magnet/toxins/windmill issue. Seems like we need to get wind
turbine price tag to include pollution mitigation at bare minimum.
--
Peggy Miller, owner/OEO
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