On 10/29/20 10:44 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > My instinct is to go to "correlation" only when causal relations are > hidden, overly tangled, or demonstrably wrong.
That's interesting. In all my hand-wringing arguments about the hyper-skepticism I adhere to, I don't think I've ever heard anyone express their objection to it like that: that conceptions of cause are preferable to conceptions of correlation. I think I tend the other way. Cause is a fiction useful for brainwashing engineers into great feats like colonizing Mars. But metaphysically, it's all ambiguous mush that you can knead into whatever you want if you're motivated enough. > Given that we only have > a presidential election every 12 years and have had only 45 elected > presidents, and a much shorter record (150 years?) of turnout, it seems > we *could* do some kind of exhaustive analysis (and perhaps some > have). In any given election from say 2000-2020 we have our own > personal experiences and opinions to draw on (and make the process less > objective?) One of the papers I skimmed talked about the significant difference between national and state/local elections. Nick's mention of "small sample theory" threw me for a loop because most of what I saw focused on larger datasets than what we have for presidential elections. The assumptions about dimension reduction and population biases are massive statements of ignorance. I can't even imagine leaping by faith from correlation to cause. Even the relatively validated partisan effect Gary mentioned seems suspicious to me. > So I suppose my answer to the original question is that it can be > either/both... It seems likely to be a (at least) bimodal > distribution. A one-sided landslide can cause a large turnout while a > tight, competitive race can do the same. Maybe more interesting is what > leads to a low-turnout? Voter apathy (second term, a pendulum swing > toward a weak candidate?) seems to be the dominant cause? I'm attracted to the idea of runaway processes. Apathy and nihilism *as* runaway processes is especially attractive. It kinda reminds me of "pandemic fatigue". At this point, I don't even care if I or my loved ones die of COVID-19 or the country devolves into a tin-pot dictatorship anymore. I need to see a good band up on stage ... have too many pints at the pub ... share spit arguing with drunk Christians over a rowdy game of pool ... that feeling definitely smacks of a runaway heat death. I did vote, though. 8^D -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
