I thought Merle was simply mirroring Eric's argument that a reliance on 
innovation is fragile. That point seems right to me.

To Gary's point about too many humans:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00305-6

It's difficult for me to imagine a future for intelligent life on the planet 
without transhumans, whether cyborg or chimera.



On April 15, 2021 9:06:24 PM PDT, Stephen Guerin <[email protected]> 
wrote:
>Merle,
>
>Hopefully you aren't referring to Eric's suggestion for a framework of
>analysis and planning. I suspect your use of Embodied Energy is
>complimentary to his description.
>
>On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 4:41 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid I have to bail from this stream because it causes me to
>> question once more how people in the West get educated.
>>
-- 
glen ⛧

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