Aluminum was used for wiring homes for a while until it was determined to increase fire risk. Perhaps some alloy of aluminum would be safe and affordable. Is William McCallum on the List?
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 3:57 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> wrote: > Pieter, your main assumption that is wrong is that there are no "upper > limits." That's just crazy! Please do some research on planetary > boundaries. > > People do not know that we are running out of copper, but as they find > out, the price will go up, and if we have to suddenly find a > replacement--like silver--the price will go up even more. > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 1:13 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Pieter, >> >> >> >> I meant the “has to be” a bit ironically. The sound of an ugly fact >> puncturing a beautiful theory. Psssssst! >> >> >> >> If I were to believe that populations were rising, that copper use was >> rising, that copper supplies were flat or dwindling, why would I not >> expect copper prices to be rising? >> >> >> >> Which of my assumptions is wrong. >> >> >> >> Or is it your expectation that we will develop a plastic with the >> conductive properties of copper? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Pieter >> Steenekamp >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:03 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum >> >> >> >> Nick, >> >> I'm not with you, what HAS to be wrong? >> >> It's impossible to predict the future, anything could happen. I'm >> particularly attracted to the views of David Deutsch. I quote from his >> https://www.thebeginningofinfinity.com/ : >> " The resulting stream of ever-improving explanations has potentially >> *infinite >> reach*: we are subject only to the laws of physics, and they impose no >> upper limit to what we can eventually understand, control, and achieve. >> " >> >> Life on earth is good and is getting better and better for all of us. >> Sure, a disaster could strike, nothing is inevitable, but I can see no >> reason why the progress we have made HAS to stop. Why? >> >> >> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 20:11, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Pieter, >> >> >> >> That just HAS to be wrong. What am I missing, here? NOT a rhetorical >> question. >> >> >> >> Does anybody know, in orders of magnitude, the relation between the >> potential rooftop gain and the total energy needs of a place like Santa Fe? >> >> >> >> N >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Pieter >> Steenekamp >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:58 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum >> >> >> >> Yeah, just like we were seriously running out of stuff in 1980 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager >> But of course, it's different this time around >> >> >> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 19:41, Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Nick, I think we have an energy supply problem. We don't have enough >> stuff left in the ground to dig up to supply our technology much longer at >> a price anyone can afford. I have a colleague who has calculated that we >> will run out of copper in three years, as just one example. My >> understanding is that copper wire conducts most of our electricity. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:17 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Merle, and all, >> >> >> >> A naïve question: Do we have an energy supply problem or do we have an >> energy distribution problem? For starters, let there be a solar collector >> on the roof of every house in santa fe, roughly the area of the roof >> (roofly the area of the rough?) . Assuming energy were entirely miscible, >> what proportion of the total energy needs (except food, of course) of Santa >> Feans would that generate. I assume hundreds of percents, right? >> >> >> >> N >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:51 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum >> >> >> >> Almost, but not quite, Jochen. He doesn't know about embodied energy. A >> motor car has an embodied energy contents of 20 800k kWh, while an electric >> car's embodied energy amounts to 34 700 kWh. Perhaps if he knew this he >> wouldn't be so optimistic. We are racing toward our doom. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:06 AM Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Interesting IEEE podcast: an interview with Václav Smil, who wrote a >> book about "Grand Transitions", similar to "The Major Transitions in >> Evolution" from John Maynard Smith and Eörs Szathmáry >> >> >> https://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/geek-life/history/a-theory-of-almost-everything >> >> >> >> -J. >> >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >> Center for Emergent Diplomacy >> emergentdiplomacy.org >> >> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >> >> >> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >> >> twitter: @merle110 >> >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >> Center for Emergent Diplomacy >> emergentdiplomacy.org >> >> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >> >> >> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >> skype: merle.lelfkoff2 >> >> twitter: @merle110 >> >> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> > > > -- > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > twitter: @merle110 > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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