Planetary boundaries. Screw that! 😊 Looking forward to that SN15 launch next week. Find some copper there.
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:02 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum Aluminum was used for wiring homes for a while until it was determined to increase fire risk. Perhaps some alloy of aluminum would be safe and affordable. Is William McCallum on the List? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 3:57 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Pieter, your main assumption that is wrong is that there are no "upper limits." That's just crazy! Please do some research on planetary boundaries. People do not know that we are running out of copper, but as they find out, the price will go up, and if we have to suddenly find a replacement--like silver--the price will go up even more. On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 1:13 PM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Pieter, I meant the “has to be” a bit ironically. The sound of an ugly fact puncturing a beautiful theory. Psssssst! If I were to believe that populations were rising, that copper use was rising, that copper supplies were flat or dwindling, why would I not expect copper prices to be rising? Which of my assumptions is wrong. Or is it your expectation that we will develop a plastic with the conductive properties of copper? Nick Thompson [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:03 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum Nick, I'm not with you, what HAS to be wrong? It's impossible to predict the future, anything could happen. I'm particularly attracted to the views of David Deutsch. I quote from his https://www.thebeginningofinfinity.com/ : " The resulting stream of ever-improving explanations has potentially infinite reach: we are subject only to the laws of physics, and they impose no upper limit to what we can eventually understand, control, and achieve. " Life on earth is good and is getting better and better for all of us. Sure, a disaster could strike, nothing is inevitable, but I can see no reason why the progress we have made HAS to stop. Why? On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 20:11, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Pieter, That just HAS to be wrong. What am I missing, here? NOT a rhetorical question. Does anybody know, in orders of magnitude, the relation between the potential rooftop gain and the total energy needs of a place like Santa Fe? N Nick Thompson [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:58 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum Yeah, just like we were seriously running out of stuff in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager But of course, it's different this time around On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 19:41, Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Nick, I think we have an energy supply problem. We don't have enough stuff left in the ground to dig up to supply our technology much longer at a price anyone can afford. I have a colleague who has calculated that we will run out of copper in three years, as just one example. My understanding is that copper wire conducts most of our electricity. On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:17 AM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Merle, and all, A naïve question: Do we have an energy supply problem or do we have an energy distribution problem? For starters, let there be a solar collector on the roof of every house in santa fe, roughly the area of the roof (roofly the area of the rough?) . Assuming energy were entirely miscible, what proportion of the total energy needs (except food, of course) of Santa Feans would that generate. I assume hundreds of percents, right? N Nick Thompson [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:51 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum Almost, but not quite, Jochen. He doesn't know about embodied energy. A motor car has an embodied energy contents of 20 800k kWh, while an electric car's embodied energy amounts to 34 700 kWh. Perhaps if he knew this he wouldn't be so optimistic. We are racing toward our doom. 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